Millie RPG Update / Question - Page 2

Vinen · 11-23-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ham n Cheese

Have you already made your Design Document? If you're going to wait until February and haven't made it, you should use the next 2-3 months to polish what you're going to do for sure. I imagine once you start creating many things on the fly you set yourself up for a headache and not finishing.

Obviously your things will vary from the basic context of this template, but I think you could find it useful: http://members.shaw.ca/loganfoster/t...c_Template.zip

Sweet, Ham.

I've been looking for something like that to focus some ideas for a Game some friends and I have been working on for a few months.

I am working on the Battle Engine right now. Roomate has been working on Overworld, and everything else. Other friends are designing characters, etc...

Millie · 11-23-2007, 05:23 PM

Very cool, Ham. Thanks for the template.

Personally speaking, I'm never really one to outline or plan much of anything. My creative process is very spontaneous, improvisational, and disorganized, but sort of comes together mysteriously in the end.

But for an RPG, I think structure and planning are in order. There are all sorts of intangibles to consider that will ruin the game if not accounted for (balancing, level growth, itemization, etc.).

Thanks!

Faille · 11-23-2007, 05:34 PM

There's always the tradeoff between user friendly and the power to do what you need. Anything easy enough to just play around with is going to limit what you're able to do.

Torque was what was used to create newbieworld, more specifically the mmokit from prairie games, which is basicalyl torque with all the mmo server side stuff already done. It's still middleware, but it's probably the best next step after modding existing games, but does require a bit of work.

The tactics style game you describe seems like it's going to require real core programming so might be a little too advanced for the moment. If you wanted to concentrate on story and content, then modding existing game like nwn might be best option.

Torque was pretty nice for changing the rules of the game, defining skills, levels, etc, but did require a lot more work, most of which fatty did and he's a hardcore programmer.

Millie · 11-23-2007, 05:44 PM

Well, in a perfect world I'd love to get my hands on the FFT engine or the Jeanne d'Arc engine and just mod those with new scenes, character sprites, abilities, etc.

I'm not so interested in changing the rules of the game so much as I'd be interested in making my own game using those existing rules and overall structures.

"FFT," with new sprites and an entirely different story, would be a perfect result for what I'm after.

I'm open to collaboration with anyone who might be interested in doing some programming and graphics work. I'm mainly interested in item design, character & enemy/boss design, skill design, and story.

Khorum · 11-23-2007, 05:51 PM

Have considered making the prototype with Flash? There was a flash RPG that was advertised here for a bit dragonfable I think. I didn't play it but I've seen my kids tool around with similar flash-type RPG-ish games. Looks like it could work for a 2D RPG prototyping tool. Haven't tried it myself though.

Once you have your game system and concepts ironed out you could move to a 3D engine afterwards.

Faille · 11-23-2007, 06:17 PM

Maybe waiting for the new fallout game? chances are it will be moddable/

Elidrin · 11-23-2007, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Millie

Well, in a perfect world I'd love to get my hands on the FFT engine or the Jeanne d'Arc engine and just mod those with new scenes, character sprites, abilities, etc.

I'm not so interested in changing the rules of the game so much as I'd be interested in making my own game using those existing rules and overall structures.

"FFT," with new sprites and an entirely different story, would be a perfect result for what I'm after.

I'm open to collaboration with anyone who might be interested in doing some programming and graphics work. I'm mainly interested in item design, character & enemy/boss design, skill design, and story.

What programming language is it Millie?

Millie · 11-23-2007, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elidrin

What programming language is it Millie?

FFT? I have no idea. I assume something far, far more advanced than I could hope to grasp.

EDIT:

Oh, you probably mean collaboration-wise. I dunno yet. Whatever the consensus seems to suggest is the best RPG-programming language that allows for a tactical style game is what I'll probably go with. If it's possible to do an FFT-style game using the Torque engine Faille linked awhile back, then that's probably what I'd go with.

kollos · 11-24-2007, 04:45 AM

"design documents" still gives me nightmares

id would also really suggest to pick your engine, take a look at it's features and write up a game concept based on those, anything else could become a real bottleneck or probably make the project fail

Agonizing · 11-24-2007, 08:46 AM

Maybe you could do something close in WarCraft 3 map maker? IE make a whole campaign and story ?

Millie · 11-24-2007, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agonizing

Maybe you could do something close in WarCraft 3 map maker? IE make a whole campaign and story ?

I've gotten pretty good at using the WC3 map editor, but it's still pretty limited for RPG-type games. You can make pretty sophisticated modules with it, but you can't really make anything resembling an RPG Maker game. At least not to my knowledge, or within my knowledge.

Ninajrr · 11-24-2007, 04:10 PM

There are some interesting FFTactic WC3 maps floating around that actually attempt to emulate that style of strategy gameplay and do so rather well. Whether or not you could find an unprotected version to learn from, or have the desire to base your idea off that world (a very limited art style can often hold back a video game drastically) is up to you.

Millie · 11-24-2007, 04:59 PM

Yeah, WC3 presents a lot of limitations with the art, and I think that would be a huge con for me.

Faille · 11-24-2007, 05:39 PM

I hate art. Seems to be the biggest roadblock to really creating anything good. one of the things I now look for in an engine, is one that comes with a good asset repository to use.

x1hundredregrets · 11-24-2007, 07:31 PM

A good lightweight, beginner engine that I would recommend is this one:
Haaf's Game Engine - Hardware accelerated 2D game engine

Ya, its in C++, but I'm sure you could throw together a team, it doesnt take much to learn the engine.

11-23-2007, 05:34 PM	#18 (permalink)
Faille Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,634 +9 Internets	There's always the tradeoff between user friendly and the power to do what you need. Anything easy enough to just play around with is going to limit what you're able to do. Torque was what was used to create newbieworld, more specifically the mmokit from prairie games, which is basicalyl torque with all the mmo server side stuff already done. It's still middleware, but it's probably the best next step after modding existing games, but does require a bit of work. The tactics style game you describe seems like it's going to require real core programming so might be a little too advanced for the moment. If you wanted to concentrate on story and content, then modding existing game like nwn might be best option. Torque was pretty nice for changing the rules of the game, defining skills, levels, etc, but did require a lot more work, most of which fatty did and he's a hardcore programmer. __________________ Faille Fires of Heaven http://www.fohguild.org/forums/uberw...lopment-forum/

11-23-2007, 06:17 PM	#21 (permalink)
Faille Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,634 +9 Internets	Maybe waiting for the new fallout game? chances are it will be moddable/ __________________ Faille Fires of Heaven http://www.fohguild.org/forums/uberw...lopment-forum/

11-24-2007, 05:39 PM	#29 (permalink)
Faille Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,634 +9 Internets	I hate art. Seems to be the biggest roadblock to really creating anything good. one of the things I now look for in an engine, is one that comes with a good asset repository to use. __________________ Faille Fires of Heaven http://www.fohguild.org/forums/uberw...lopment-forum/

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11-23-2007, 05:23 PM	#17 (permalink)
Millie Feisty Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,713	Very cool, Ham. Thanks for the template. Personally speaking, I'm never really one to outline or plan much of anything. My creative process is very spontaneous, improvisational, and disorganized, but sort of comes together mysteriously in the end. But for an RPG, I think structure and planning are in order. There are all sorts of intangibles to consider that will ruin the game if not accounted for (balancing, level growth, itemization, etc.). Thanks!

11-23-2007, 05:44 PM	#19 (permalink)
Millie Feisty Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,713	Well, in a perfect world I'd love to get my hands on the FFT engine or the Jeanne d'Arc engine and just mod those with new scenes, character sprites, abilities, etc. I'm not so interested in changing the rules of the game so much as I'd be interested in making my own game using those existing rules and overall structures. "FFT," with new sprites and an entirely different story, would be a perfect result for what I'm after. I'm open to collaboration with anyone who might be interested in doing some programming and graphics work. I'm mainly interested in item design, character & enemy/boss design, skill design, and story.

11-23-2007, 05:51 PM	#20 (permalink)
Khorum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,394 -27 Internets	Have considered making the prototype with Flash? There was a flash RPG that was advertised here for a bit dragonfable I think. I didn't play it but I've seen my kids tool around with similar flash-type RPG-ish games. Looks like it could work for a 2D RPG prototyping tool. Haven't tried it myself though. Once you have your game system and concepts ironed out you could move to a 3D engine afterwards.

11-24-2007, 04:45 AM	#24 (permalink)
kollos Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 264 +0 Internets	"design documents" still gives me nightmares id would also really suggest to pick your engine, take a look at it's features and write up a game concept based on those, anything else could become a real bottleneck or probably make the project fail

11-24-2007, 08:46 AM	#25 (permalink)
Agonizing Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 134 -3 Internets	Maybe you could do something close in WarCraft 3 map maker? IE make a whole campaign and story ?

11-24-2007, 04:10 PM	#27 (permalink)
Ninajrr the Ninjarr Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: CA Posts: 1,251 -15 Internets	There are some interesting FFTactic WC3 maps floating around that actually attempt to emulate that style of strategy gameplay and do so rather well. Whether or not you could find an unprotected version to learn from, or have the desire to base your idea off that world (a very limited art style can often hold back a video game drastically) is up to you.

11-24-2007, 04:59 PM	#28 (permalink)
Millie Feisty Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,713	Yeah, WC3 presents a lot of limitations with the art, and I think that would be a huge con for me.

11-24-2007, 07:31 PM	#30 (permalink)
x1hundredregrets Reactor Zero Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 302 -5 Internets	A good lightweight, beginner engine that I would recommend is this one: Haaf's Game Engine - Hardware accelerated 2D game engine Ya, its in C++, but I'm sure you could throw together a team, it doesnt take much to learn the engine.