[CBL] tOfficial College Basketball 2009-2010 Season Thread

[Lenaldo]

Perhaps a bit premature, but with college bball starting I am already getting a bit anxious for the season.

My biggest interest will be in how UK does with calipari. They seem to be ranked very high in every poll, but they will be a team of freshman. This team reminds me of the one he coached at Memphis(with rose)... the team will be as good as Wall makes them.

Also, Adriene Payne is set to announce tonight between MSU/WVU/Kentuky/Arizona. Did anyone else see all the recruiting violations WVU had when he visisted?!


I know this board seems to die during CBB, so this thread may quickly fall off the page, but I figured i'd get it started since preseason has already begun.


Edit- and i fucked up the title.... should be CBB not CBL :-/

[Gilgamel]

Wayne Chism, I already miss him and he's not even gone yet.



I'll never look at a headband the same way again. Jack up an ill advised three for me, homey.

[Genjiro]

Looks like we will have a strong team again this year, should be somewhere in the top 10. Huggs finally has his boys in the frontcourt this year with some legit bigs, though both are freshmen. Cant wait to see how the season starts.

Over/under on Kentucky getting sanctioned due to Coach Cal? Fuck I hate that guy but he can recruit, UK will have some crazy talent with guys like Wall.

Looks like Adreian Payne might choose MSU over us today, big mistake imo. Huggins vs Izzo in developing NBA talent in bigmen is not even close.


NCAA College Basketball Polls, College Basketball Rankings, NCAA Basketball Polls - ESPN

Top 25 Coaches Poll

1. Kansas (27)
2. Michigan State (3)
3. Texas
4. North Carolina (1)
5. Kentucky
6. Villanova
7. Purdue
8. Duke
9. West Virginia
10. Butler
11. Tennessee
12. California
13. Washington
14. Connecticut
15. Michigan
16. Oklahoma
17. Ohio State
18. Minnesota
19. Mississippi State
20. Georgia Tech
21. Georgetown
22. Dayton
23. Louisville
24. Clemson
25. Syracuse

[Gilgamel]

The resident basketball expert on the Vols board says we should have taken Huggins instead of Pearl when we made our newest hire. Basically says we could have had the entire K-State package as well as OJ Mayo if we had. We chose not to pursue him due to the way he left the nati. I like Pearl but that is pretty appealing.

That's a big blow if you guys lost Payne. We're currently locked in a battle with Villanova for Tobias Harris and Jayvaugn Pinkston, or else our recruiting class is going to suck. We have a ton of seniors on this year's team.

[Lenaldo]

Huggins has no control over his teams and I have a feeling he will leave WVU the same way he did UC... in destruction. I think WVU fans need to understand their best coach (beilien) left for the 2nd best school in the state of Michigan(UM). When you lose coaches to a bottom-of-the-barrel big10 team you are not a bball powerhouse.

I don't understand how choosing MSU over WVU was a bad thing? There is one coach in America that can promise every recruit that stays for 4 years they will see a final four. Guess which it is.

You also act like coach izzo has not put players in the NBA; he has. More so, huggins(and/or WVU) doesn't exactly have the same tradition of putting bigs in the NBA as WVU seem to think.

The kid wants to win. He went to a school where he can do that. He also wants to play big teams - MSU always has one of the hardest schedules in the country.

The fallacy that MSU recruits the same quality of players that schools like UNC/Duke/Kansas/etc is retarded. In general, MSU gets solid 4star guys with a few 5stars mixed in. Top 5 recruiting classes are rare at MSU - a program that was probably the 2nd best one in the 2000s. More so, MSU almost never lands a top 5 recruit. Izzo has said he has no interest in "one and doners"(after the J. Richardson situation).

The WVU boards are just full of retards. Some guy is even claiming Roe having a "below-average" freshman season was somehow Izzo's fault. Ya, lets ignore the fact that he had 2 knee surgeries AND missed his whole senior high school season... nope, COMPLETELY izzo's fault.


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I also think Calipari will leave UK in sanctions which I admit would make me smile.

[Mario Speedwagon]

Originally Posted by Lenaldo

Huggins has no control over his teams and I have a feeling he will leave WVU the same way he did UC... in destruction. I think WVU fans need to understand their best coach (beilien) left for the 2nd best school in the state of Michigan(UM).

Laff. Stopped reading after that. Beilien is nice and all but he can't develop talent worth a shit(just look at the way he let Joe Alexander languish compared to the beast he became when Huggins arrived) and his system will NEVER win a championship. It's fun to watch, but it's ultimately futile.

I'll take Huggins over him every day and 5 times on sunday. The dude bleeds gold and blue and loves Morgantown, his home town. I feel pretty safe with him and am more excited about WVU Bball than I ever have been.

Seems to me you just have a irrational hate of Huggins.

[Genjiro]

First off, Huggins has been trying to get back to WVU--his alma mater--forever now, and it worked out with KState finally where he could do so when Beilein left (even had a special no buyout clause JUST FOR WVU). He made some mistakes personally, nothing like Cal has done with recruiting violations, and it cost him, and the UC president wanted him gone. If you dont think Cincy fans would love him back in a heartbeat, you are insane. Anyways, my argument has to do with a history of success putting bigs into the NBA highly drafted, something Huggins has achieved far more success with. Winning in college, sure, MSU makes sense, but Payne had always voiced his desire to go highly drafted into the NBA as his first concern. And sorry but you are a fucking moron if you think Izzo develops low post talent for the pros even remotely close to what Huggs does--he has NBA guys in practice daily and fawning over what he has done with Ebanks and Kevin Jones in just one year. That's his specialty. Big East basketball is closest to anything played in the NBA, its physical and that's what they look for. Guys like Jasion Maxiel, Kenyon Martin (KMart was #1 overall iirc), Fortson, Joe Alexander (an average Beilien scorer turned into a top 10 pick), etc etc, these are guys Huggins molded into good post players who went highly drafted.

Izzo is a great coach, MSU is a great BB school, but that wasnt what Payne was looking for first--he wanted to be developed for the NBA. Even UK fans think he was crazy to pick MSU over WVU, because it was a foregone conclusion UK was out of the mix awhile ago along with Arizona. But your assertion that he wouldn't play as good of teams in the Big East for WVU than MSU? Insanity--just look at the top 25, and this is a *down* year. The BE last year was probably the single toughest conference in the history of college basketball.

[Edko]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

Looks like we will have a strong team again this year, should be somewhere in the top 10. Huggs finally has his boys in the frontcourt this year with some legit bigs, though both are freshmen. Cant wait to see how the season starts.

Over/under on Kentucky getting sanctioned due to Coach Cal? Fuck I hate that guy but he can recruit, UK will have some crazy talent with guys like Wall.

Looks like Adreian Payne might choose MSU over us today, big mistake imo. Huggins vs Izzo in developing NBA talent in bigmen is not even close.


NCAA College Basketball Polls, College Basketball Rankings, NCAA Basketball Polls - ESPN

Top 25 Coaches Poll

1. Kansas (27)
2. Michigan State (3)
3. Texas
4. North Carolina (1)
5. Kentucky
6. Villanova
7. Purdue
8. Duke
9. West Virginia
10. Butler
11. Tennessee
12. California
13. Washington
14. Connecticut
15. Michigan
16. Oklahoma
17. Ohio State
18. Minnesota
19. Mississippi State
20. Georgia Tech
21. Georgetown
22. Dayton
23. Louisville
24. Clemson
25. Syracuse

26. Fear the Turtle!

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

Izzo is a great coach, MSU is a great BB school, but that wasnt what Payne was looking for first--he wanted to be developed for the NBA. Even UK fans think he was crazy to pick MSU over WVU, because it was a foregone conclusion UK was out of the mix awhile ago along with Arizona. But your assertion that he wouldn't play as good of teams in the Big East for WVU than MSU? Insanity--just look at the top 25, and this is a *down* year. The BE last year was probably the single toughest conference in the history of college basketball.

And was absolutely dominated by Michigan State in the tournament. MSU(and izzo) have a remarkable record against the "powerhouse" BigEast.

The Big East failed to put any team in the finals and they had 3 number 1 seedings.

[Genjiro]

Who cares? All those teams at the end were good and many of those games were close too, your idea that MSUs schedule is better competition....is....fucking....dumb. Jesus you are really fucking clueless, 2 conference teams in the final 4 sucks I guess? Man, you have turned into one of the most idiotic posters in the sports forum. The Big 10 was shit comparatively as a whole, anyone who honestly makes an argument that a conference is weak with no finals teams cannot even be taken seriously. Not to mention you got the worst beatdown I can ever remember in a finals so its not like you were on UNCs level either. How many did you lose by, 20? Pretty sure iirc Nova played them closer.

But back to the point, Izzo or Huggins developing talent for the NBA in bigmen is silly to argue--which was the kids #1 want for college--if it was Final 4s I would fully understand it. Whatever, good luck to AP. And as much as I think you are batshit insane in your homerism (in any sport you discuss), Im still glad he picked a more classy guy like Izzo over fucking Calipari.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

Who cares? All those teams at the end were good and many of those games were close too, your idea that MSUs schedule is better competition....is....fucking....dumb. Jesus you are really fucking clueless, 2 conference teams in the final 4 sucks I guess? Man, you have turned into one of the most idiotic posters in the sports forum. The Big 10 was shit comparatively as a whole, anyone who honestly makes an argument that a conference is weak with no finals teams cannot even be taken seriously. Not to mention you got the worst beatdown I can ever remember in a finals so its not like you were on UNCs level either. How many did you lose by, 20? Pretty sure iirc Nova played them a hell of a lot closer.

Hey another big east dick sucker.. Digger is that you? Stop listening to ESPN and you may have a better understanding of college basketball.

This year WVU plays: @Purdue, OSU, as their only notable non conference games.

MSU plays: @UNC, Florida(neutral), @Texas, Gonzaga


I'm sure you will argue that the Big East is so tough that WVU needs a light schedule.... of course this is the same argument that you blast SEC people for over in the football thread.

Out of conference MSU always has one of the best schedules in the nation. The big10 is also a tough bball conference and probably the best conference this season.

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If you were a recruit who would you pick:

School A:
Tournament Appearances: 22
Final Fours: 1
Championship Seasons: None
Tournament Record: 20-22
2009 Result: Loss to Dayton in First Round


School B:
Tournament Appearances: 23
Final Fours: 7
Championship Seasons: 1979. 2000
Tournament Record: 48-22
2009 Result: Loss in National Championship vs North Carolina

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I also guess it depends on how you judge NBA ready. Huggins has had high draft picks but name a superstar he has put in the nba. None. Kenyon Martin has been nothing but a role player in the NBA. Same with Jason Maxiel who was a off-the-bench player. Are these guys really any different than j rich?

[Mario Speedwagon]

Originally Posted by Lenaldo

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If you were a recruit who would you pick:

School A:
Tournament Appearances: 22
Final Fours: 1
Championship Seasons: None
Tournament Record: 20-22
2009 Result: Loss to Dayton in First Round


School B:
Tournament Appearances: 23
Final Fours: 7
Championship Seasons: 1979. 2000
Tournament Record: 48-22
2009 Result: Loss in National Championship vs North Carolina

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If you are a recruit and you base your decision off a summary like that, then you are a dipshit.

[Genjiro]

I was going to type out some long rebuttal, but then I realized I was just arguing with Dumar 2.0. Good luck to A. Payne at MSU, and I dont have sour grapes--we still have some great bigs anyways with Dan Jennings and Kilici--I just think he made a mistake if NBA is really what his first goal is which he has said. It's a decision on draft day he will come to regret imo, if not, then I will eat some crow.

MSU has a great coach and program and Izzo is arguably the best winner in college BB, so I won't be stupid like you and tear down the man like you have with Huggins (who is also an amazing coach)--but he doesn't prepare kids (bigmen) for the NBA as well as Huggs does and nobody in their right mind will argue that. Huggs is considered by many NBA guys among the best at teaching things like rebounding and defense in all of college BB. There are NBA scouts in daily at WVU practices watching EBanks, Butler, and Kevin Jones. Many publications incluiding SI feel we have a top 3 frontcourt in the nation--largely in part to how well Huggs prepares those kids.

As for schedule--the entire body of work including conference play Id say it all evens out--we signed up for the 76 Classic in Anaheim with Butler, Minnesota, UCLA etc awhile back, which you left out as well. And I like how you try to paint me as a SEC hater, when I have always admitted it is the best in the land in football--but nice try. I mean I guess our ooc sucks if you consider the Big 10 teams we play -- Purdue and Ohio State overrated?

[cdyhybrid]

13. Washington

Holla. Looking forward to seeing our backcourt and Quincy Pondexter play. Three All-Pac-10 quality guards and the best player/undisputed leader on our team.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Mario Speedwagon

If you are a recruit and you base your decision off a summary like that, then you are a dipshit.

You mean like all the recruits that goto Kansas/UK/UNC/Duke/etc?

And defense and rebounding. Izzo's program is built around defense and rebounding which is why his players generally don't transform into NBA athletes. MSU has been the best offensive rebounding team in the country since... well 2000ish. Every team that plays against MSU knows they will lose in the rebound margin - its the reason MSU has such great success against the similar style of play that is in the big east.

Huggins has 1 final four to his resume; that is not impressive. He has a significant amount of off-the-court issues as well. The guy can recruit, thats for sure, but he can't do anything with his talent. He reminds me of Zook at UI except in bball instead of football. We will see how WVU does this season in a down-year for the big east.

I do agree with you on one point; if Paynes only interest was the NBA he would have gone to play for Huggins/Calapari/etc. Not because they would have been better coaches, but because they would have let him do whatever he wants. Clearly, his grandmother didn't want him playing for those coaches and led him to Izzo - who is probably the classiest coach in the NCAA. If I had to guess, the fact that both Calipari and Huggins have horrid graduation rates played a role in his recruitment. Payne is not a one-and-done type of player. He has already stated that he views his freshman season as one of learning.

College coaches arn't paid to create NBA players - they are paid to win games and especially tourny games. Very few coaches in america do that better than izzo.


Also, I bet those House of Payne(re: recruiting violation) t-shirts are going to be pretty cheap. You should pick a few up.