[CBL] tOfficial College Basketball 2009-2010 Season Thread

[Genjiro]

Jesus, you are easily one of the top dipshits on the sports forum. Enjoy rooting for your 12 teams and whichever is better in a given year in a given sport, fucking douchebag.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

Jesus, you are easily one of the top dipshits on the sports forum. Enjoy rooting for your 12 teams and whichever is better in a given year in a given sport, fucking douchebag.

Dont worry; I will be at the UF bball games this season as well rooting for them. I love when you resort to personal insults instead of discussing facts. And you call me dumar?

I'm sorry you are jealous that I attended more than one university. I also know its hard for you to fathom being emotionally(and monetarily) involved in more than one team. I couldn't give two shits whether myt eam is good or not(I have watched every MSU and UF football game this season.. one team is excellent the other is absolutely horrid). Its not about e-peen waving for me.. I enjoy college sports.

[Genjiro]

Yea, which is why we have heard you talk so much about Michigan State football all year in the sports thread....fucking douchebag.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

Yea, which is why we have heard you talk so much about Michigan State football all year in the sports thread....fucking douchebag.

Actually I just made a post about the Iowa/MSU game last week. The problem with the football thread is there is no discussion about the big10. What am I going to discuss? I also post all the time ripping on UM and about how MSU is better.

I'd love to go into an in-depth discussion with anyone about big10 football and MSU... but people on this board just dont give a fuck. Rest assured I follow big10 football like a fiend.... just as I follow SEC bball.

[Genjiro]

Yea you made a whole 2 posts. You are the living definition of fairweather fan.

Regardless, you overrate Izzo as a talent developer of bigs for the NBA. Anyone who knows anything about college bb would think you are a retard for even having this debate, which started because you got butthurt about me saying something that even guys like UK could see. Hell most of the Payne is a WVU lock came from UK fans talking about Huggs ability to get bigs drafted high....obviously they are WVU fans too right??? Or maybe you are a retard.

How many big men has Izzo had drafted in the top 10 ever? Hilarious you try and badmouth K.Martin who helped lead his team to the Finals and was an all-star. Maybe Payne can follow in the steps of the amazing Goran Suton!!

[Mario Speedwagon]

Originally Posted by Lenaldo

Also, I bet those House of Payne(re: recruiting violation) t-shirts are going to be pretty cheap. You should pick a few up.

OMGZ RECRUITING VIOLASHUNZZ!!

Could you be more of a bitch right now? We get it, you think Huggins is a bad person. That's nice for you. Why don't we all move on because no one gives a shit about your opinions of the man's character. Not to mention his resume is better than 95% of the coaches out there, but of course to you that's "not impressive". I'm glad you've found a guy to make your enemy, have fun with that all season long.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

Yea you made a whole 2 posts. You are the living definition of fairweather fan.

Regardless, you overrate Izzo as a talent developer of bigs for the NBA. Anyone who knows anything about college bb would think you are a retard for even having this debate, which started because you got butthurt about me saying something that even guys like UK could see. Hell most of the Payne is a WVU lock came from UK fans talking about Huggs ability to get bigs drafted high....obviously they are WVU fans too right??? Or maybe you are a retard.

How many big men has Izzo had drafted in the top 10 ever? Hilarious you try and badmouth K.Martin who helped lead his team to the Finals and was an all-star. Maybe Payne can follow in the steps of the amazing Goran Suton!!

A fairweather fan? Now I know in WVA education isn't exactly that important... but try to keep up with me.

While at MSU I attended every fball game and bball game I could. I was there for the horrendous 4th quarter losses every season. At UF I have done the same(albeit I didn't get tickets this year for football because I lost the lottery). I sat through every UF bball game last year even when they blew what should have been a sure tourny bid. Hell, i didn't even root for UF during the title years because... SURPRISE.. i wasn't enrolled here. When UF and MSU play at the same time I set up two TVs next to each other so I can watch both games - I did the same for bball season last year.

Again, my definition of a fan is someone who has attended the school. I usually find it okay if children of a parent that attended the school also cheer for that team. But, why would someone who never attended some university actually care how that school does? This I do not comprehend.

Fairweather fan is the incorrect definition. I am the "super" fan who spends all day on message boards and blogs finding everything I can out about recruits/injuries/etc. I find it pathetic when people root for a school they(or their parents) never attended. Everyone has their own definition of being a "good" fan. I don't give two shits what you think about me - I will still follow both teams because thats what I find enjoyable.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Mario Speedwagon

OMGZ RECRUITING VIOLASHUNZZ!!

Could you be more of a bitch right now? We get it, you think Huggins is a bad person. That's nice for you. Why don't we all move on because no one gives a shit about your opinions of the man's character. Not to mention his resume is better than 95% of the coaches out there, but of course to you that's "not impressive". I'm glad you've found a guy to make your enemy, have fun with that all season long.

I don't even care about Huggins. I just don't think hes the coach that WVU fans want to make him out to be. I think choosing MSU over WVU is the easy choice.

Sure, Izzo hasn't had great success with bigs in the NBA. No one is arguing that point. What he has done is have great success with players in college. He has a very high graduation rate and very little(if any?) off-the-court issues. Suton was not exactly a highly recruited big. If you really want to talk about underachieving bigs look at Marquise Gray. He was a 5star recruit that ended up being one of the biggest busts ever - it happens. MSU doesn't, in general, recruit big-time bigs. The one we did recruit(richardson) left early.

In the end, there needs to be something in this thread to keep it getting bumped or people will stop reading it. Ripping on the big east is equivalent to ripping on the big12/sec in football. It gets people riled up and makes them start posting.

One thing we can all agree on: there was more to Payne's decision than just being a high draft pick.

[Mario Speedwagon]

Originally Posted by Lenaldo

I don't even care about Huggins. I just don't think hes the coach that WVU fans want to make him out to be. I think choosing MSU over WVU is the easy choice.

That's nice for you. Plenty of people see it differently and I think you'd be hard pressed to find many agree with you that Huggs isn't one of the better coaches/developers of talent in the nation. Izzo is great, we all agree, you just don't have to be such a snobbish douchenozzle about it, crying about graduation rates, t-shirts(which the students made themselves), and the personal character of the man. Especially considering your school got the fucking recruit. I mean why the fuck are you even crying about "recruiting violations"? You won out so STFU and enjoy it instead of whining and denigrating the school that lost out on him.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Mario Speedwagon

That's nice for you. Plenty of people see it differently and I think you'd be hard pressed to find many agree with you that Huggs isn't one of the better coaches/developers of talent in the nation. Izzo is great, we all agree, you just don't have to be such a snobbish douchenozzle about it, crying about graduation rates, t-shirts(which the students made themselves), and the personal character of the man.

I don't blame huggins for the t-shirts. I think the idea that its somehow the bball program's fault the students did that is stupid. But I do think it is funny that they made them and now they are all but worthless. how can you not see the comedy in that.

The graduation rate thing is an issue. Like it or not, these are student athletes, not professional players. I cant stand professional sports because of this - its a business to them.

I think the notion that players should only choose a school to become better NBA prospects is what started this whole "dick-waving". Huggins may have success getting players drafted high(no one can argue this point), but his collegiate success leaves a lot to be desired.

[Genjiro]

He's a dick, just move on. Anyways, looking forward to the 76 Classic to see our boys play out in Anaheim. Hopefully we get a matchup with Butler, I think that would be a good matchup for fans to see.

Can you believe Kevin Jones from Huggs offseason weight training program went from 215-250? Ebanks has gotten much bigger too. With Dasean Butler, Ebanks, and Kevin Jones we should be a nightmare matchup for most teams in the front court.

What sucks is that Kilici wont be able to play until the end of the year because of that stupid fucking rule about playing with guys who got paid even if you dont. Some semipro Euro team sent a guy who was injured and who got paid to play on Kilicis team while rehabbing or some shit, and he didnt even know about it, so he has to sit out a game for every one he played with that guy--which means we wont see him for at least 20 games. Stupid stupid fucking rule, and the NCAA is changing it this summer because its so dumb, but Kilici still has to pay the price for its stupidity with missing an entire year almost. Who knows, maybe with practicing with the team he can step in and get in some quality minutes before the BE and NCAA tourneys.

[Mario Speedwagon]

It is a business for some of the kids. They are top talents and I don't see how going to a school that will best prepare them for the NBA, their chosen career and quite a lucrative one if successful, is any different than an aspiring lawyer choosing the best law school available to him. I don't find that morally reprehensible. I mean what good is college success if you are used car salesman in 5 years instead of the NBA player you could have been if you go to the right program? These kids have to look out for their future and I don't fault them for it.

Of course, I'm a guy whose against the forced 1 year of college rule but that's a whole different story.

[Mario Speedwagon]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

Can you believe Kevin Jones from Huggs offseason weight training program went from 215-250? Ebanks has gotten much bigger too. With Dasean Butler, Ebanks, and Kevin Jones we should be a nightmare matchup for most teams in the front court.

That's my favorite part about Hugg's system. He just turns these guys into beasts and I think they, Ebanks especially, is going to have a monster year because of it. Kudos to our strength/conditioning coach, he's obviously doing something right. Real excited to see these boys pounding the rock, fighting for rebounds, and dunking it home. It's why I could never get behind Beilein as our coach despite the success. I mean it's fun to watch, but having a -15 rebound margin and no post players is going to bite you in the ass in the end.

Not sure if Kilici(how the fuck do you say this name?) was going to see major playing time soon anyways, but that NCAA rule is incredible bullshit. They had a segment about it on E:60 a couple weeks ago. Said they have about 10 people who inspect all players in the nation for these violations(among other responsibilities) and it leads to selective enforcement of the rule. Real fucking stupid.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Mario Speedwagon

That's my favorite part about Hugg's system. He just turns these guys into beasts and I think they, Ebanks especially, is going to have a monster year because of it. Kudos to our strength/conditioning coach, he's obviously doing something right. Real excited to see these boys pounding the rock, fighting for rebounds, and dunking it home. It's why I could never get behind Beilein as our coach despite the success. I mean it's fun to watch, but having a -15 rebound margin and no post players is going to bite you in the ass in the end.

Not sure if Kilici(how the fuck do you say this name?) was going to see major playing time soon anyways, but that NCAA rule is incredible bullshit. They had a segment about it on E:60 a couple weeks ago. Said they have about 10 people who inspect all players in the nation for these violations(among other responsibilities) and it leads to selective enforcement of the rule. Real fucking stupid.

Threeline runs a gimmick style offense. Its tough to prepare for, but after you have they are a pushover. The key to beating beilien is to have an athletic PF that can guard the perimeter. I also think pushing back the 3-line(even by a few inches) hurt his "offense". I'm not sold on UM this year, but they do have some talent. If manny continues to develop like he did last season they could be very dangerous. However, a top 10 preseason ranking seems a bit high.

[Mario Speedwagon]

And yet you said he was a better coach than Huggs...