Usain Bolt - 9.58

[Deris]

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Now THATS an athlete.

Olympic gold medals in the pentathlon and decathlon, played college and pro football, baseball and basketball.

Also kicked a 95 yard wind assisted punt to win a game.

Dude was all kinds of nails.

[arkk123]

Originally Posted by Lyrical

I saw some clips of Bolt this week, and was surprised at how much his forehead has started jutting out over his face. I don't remember his forehead being so pronounced at the Olympics. He's starting to look like Barry Bonds, with that HGH look.

Probably not the case. Acromegaly only occurs after years and years of abuse.

[Lyrical]

Originally Posted by arkk123

Probably not the case. Acromegaly only occurs after years and years of abuse.

Maybe I am being paranoid because of how the record is being broken so easily. To me, it looks as if his forehead is more pronounced than it was at the Olympics. Some of these athletes, we'll never know.

/shrug

[arkk123]

Originally Posted by Lyrical

Maybe I am being paranoid because of how the record is being broken so easily. To me, it looks as if his forehead is more pronounced than it was at the Olympics. Some of these athletes, we'll never know.

/shrug

I don't think there is any doubt he is using. But they all are. His bodytype is just so much diff than theirs that if they were all clean, he'd still be above them. That is just my opinion, I am no sprinting expert. I just think it is unlikely this early that he is showing the signs because in bodybuilders when it happens it usually takes years of a drug bill somewhere between 30 and 60k a year, and growth hormone dosages which are astronomical.

[arkk123]

Here is a little story that happened while I was on vaca...

Last week im in a restaurant with my girlfriend. We walk to our table and there is a black family of about 5 sitting behind us. I don't really look at faces. We get drinks and they are talking about track and field. I found that kind of odd because it is rare you hear people talking about the long jump, or the # of titles colleges have in T&F. So then something about Usain Bolt came up when they showed him on ESPN between the two of us, and my gf was asking me about if I think he is clean. So I go off on a tangent trying to explain the magnitude of what he has done record wise, and why I don't think he is clean, and so on and so forth. Meanwhile the group behind us has stopped talking so much, as if they are almost listening.

So the table behind us is getting ready to leave and just out of curiousity I look behind me. The guy who was talking was Carl Lewis. Talk about putting your foot in your mouth acting like you know shit about track and field when a legend is sitting behind you, lol.

[Luthair]

Carl Lewis knows a little something about banned substances...

[Grimmlokk]

DID SOMEONE SAY CARL LEWIS!?

[Eomer]

South African runner Semenya a hermaphrodite

Several media outlets reported Thursday that gender tests conducted by the International Association of Athletics Federations in July reveal she has internal testes — male sexual organs which produce testosterone — and no womb or ovaries.

Semenya also has three times more testosterone in her system that a normal female.

Well no fucking shit she's going to destroy any actual woman in any physiological test of strength or endurance.

[Eomer]

Also, I thought this was a pretty good article, with both perspectives: Too fast to be clean? - Sports - Macleans.ca

The graph attached below is extremely telling, IMO. The only other significant outlier there is our good friend Ben Johnson in 1988, and we all know about him.

But then again, Bolt is pretty unique physically:

Then came Bolt, who towers over his opponents at six feet, five inches. Not only can he approximate the turnover rate of his shorter opponents (just under five steps per second), but his maximum stride length of nearly three metres dwarfs those of his rivals. As a result, he covered 100 m in Berlin in just 41 steps, or 3.5 fewer than second-place finisher Tyson Gay. “That’s not just impressive, it’s astounding,” concludes Mann. “I mean, every one of the men on that line is a freak. But every once in a while you’re going to get a genetic freak among freaks—a Tiger Woods or a Michael Jordan in his sport. And we’ve got one in Usain Bolt.”

[arkk123]

None of them are clean.

[Eomer]

Originally Posted by arkk123

None of them are clean.

I don't know if that's true. The article talks about Donovan Bailey who was one of the premiere sprinters in the 90's, and he went to great lengths to cooperate and go above what was required with testing, and that was prior to the "designer" steroids used by Jones etc.

But I'd agree that most, even today, are cheating in one way or another.

[arkk123]

Originally Posted by Eomer

I don't know if that's true. The article talks about Donovan Bailey who was one of the premiere sprinters in the 90's, and he went to great lengths to cooperate and go above what was required with testing, and that was prior to the "designer" steroids used by Jones etc.

But I'd agree that most, even today, are cheating in one way or another.

If beating a test when Bailey was prominent is like taking candy from a baby, doing it now is like taking candy from a first grader.

In most circumstances there doesn't even need to be a warning in order for someone to prep for a test, like the ways that people navigated around urinalysis, or people detoxing/cleansing for a drug test nowadays(I don't even know if you can do that really with weed/other drugs, I've only heard about it, can you?). Everything needed to pass a test is taken right along with the PED's. No warning? No problem!

They'll never stop it unless they quadruple(at least) their funding for drug testing and test for *everything*. Looking at a report of someones ratios and the results of tests for common drugs is absolutely pointless.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Eomer

South African runner Semenya a hermaphrodite



Well no fucking shit she's going to destroy any actual woman in any physiological test of strength or endurance.

But the testosterone is not the reason she'll be banned from sports, there's causes for ultra high testosterone levels that will still let women compete.

it's a purely arbitrary decision.

[Eomer]

What decision? No decision has been made. So how can it be arbitrary?

The fact of the matter is, she is NOT a woman. Nor is she a man. She's somewhere in between. It's a very difficult subject, and I'm glad I don't have to make the decision. I remember some dude who had a sex change to become female was trying to get on to the LPGA tour a few years back, but I can't remember what happened with it.

Easiest solution would be to just say "fuck it, no more gender based competitions, best of the best and that's it." Of course, that would mean female athletics would shrivel and die, because it's a physiological fact that they are inferior to men in any test of physical strength, skill or endurance. But I mean, who gives a fuck about most women's sports other than tennis and beach volleyball anyways? Personally I stopped giving a shit about female sports when I heard Canada's national female hockey team was beaten by an American highschool boys team. What a fucking joke.

Hell, I grew up playing hockey with the highest scoring Canadian Intramural Sports female of all time. Once the boys started hitting puberty, she had no hope in hell of being competitive, so she went over to girl's only hockey. Meanwhile our schools would fall over themselves to congratulate her on any accomplishment she or her team made, while there were dozens of boys playing at far higher levels of competitiveness.

In short, I actually don't really give a shit about this whole shenanigan, because female athletics are a joke anyways. If they want to make it even less respectable, sure, by all means let a shemale compete against actual women. Fuck, let Bolt run against women provided his nuts stay tucked and he wears a bit of lipstick for all I care.

[Mimirswell]

Until someone comes up with a better basis for splitting athletic talent, gender is pretty useful for 99% of cases. I think eventually there should be a split based off of something more concrete (genetic potential, chemical levels, etc) but until then, it works fairly well and I don't see an issue with Women's sports (I don't think it's inferior to men's, just like I don't think lightweights are inferior to heavyweights in Wrestling, MMA, boxing, etc.)