2009 NFL Season Discussion - Page 245

PatrickStar · 10-14-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Antoine

Gus Frerotte
Trent Green
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Shane Mathews
Danny Wuerffel
Patrick Ramsey
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell

Norv Turner
Terry Robiskie
Marty Schottenheimer
Steve Spurrier
Joe Gibbs
Jim Zorn

trade ya

HAHAHA Can you believe it? At this point, the Bengals have a much better future than the Redskins. Remember Skins fans, before there was a Dan Synder there was Mike Brown.

Wombat · 10-14-2009, 08:20 PM

Manning's trends aren't anything new. Pretty much every record Favre has broken recently all but had a caveat saying "...until Manning surpasses it".

Will Manning go down as the greatest athlete at quarterback, especially in the modern era? Absolutely. Will he go down as the greatest quarterback? Probably not, unless he gets more deep playoff victories - Brady and (it shocks myself to say), at this rate, Roethlisberger have the edge as "winners".

Unless, of course, the Colts get down to business and go 19-0 this season, sticking a stake through the heart of Belichick. Isn't that something we all (outside of Boston) can get behind?

Disp · 10-14-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cathan

When you guys are done sucking Manning off don't forget how many playoff LOSSES he has racked up.

Tard boy above said Brady was overrated but what is Brady's playoff win vs loss total? Something like 18 wins to 2 losses?

Football is about winning. Stats don't mean a fucking thing when you have 1 QB that wins clutch playoff games and another that doesn't. Tom Brady isn't the only guy to compare Peyton to, how about Ben R.??? Big Ben has 2 rings.

Imo the lame duck Colts wouldn't have the single superbowl win if the Bears had a real fucking QB that year. Rex Grossman was the worth QB that ever made it to the big game imo. The Bears had SOO MANY chances to win that game it was pathetic watching Grossman literally throw it all away.

My opinion of Peyton Manning hinges on 1 single post game interview too. When the Steelers won the Superbowl back in 03 I believe it was their first playoff game was against the Colts that were like 15-1 that season. Steelers blitzed that Manning fool absolutely relentlessly. When Peyton was interviewed he didn't shoulder the blame with something like, "Team just didn't get it done today." Instead he BLAMED the offensive line and the defense.

Real quarterbacks are team players and leaders. That's why the Colts look stellar in the regular season racking up all those wins but when it counts his boys aren't there for him, he's no leader. If he was the Colts would have been declared a Dynasty 5 years ago because his team would be there behind him and they'd win because he is a great fucking qb, he's just not a leader....

I think Peyton is the smartest QB in the league with the no huddle offense he runs and his ability to call plays and audibles the way he does. Fucking shame he's an asshole his team won't 100% get behind him...

Is this a troll post or are you being serious? Steve Young, Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Brett Favre, Jim Kelly all have 1 or no super bowl trophies, and they're probably the 5 best quarterbacks of the 90's. They're all hall of fame quarterbacks. Peyton Manning has 1 super bowl trophy.

Cathan · 10-14-2009, 08:59 PM

Fuck Jim Kelly... I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd rather never make it to the big game EVER than lose it 4 in a row. Fuck Jim Kelly and the Bills of the 90s... Just plain fuck all of them. Best losers??? Absolutely... Something was obviously missing from that team if they couldn't close the deal even once.

Steve Young did what they say can't be done today, he replaced an incredible QB and continued the winning. My hat's off to him and Montana, espeically with all that concussion craziness that was going on he played through.

There's only "1" winner EVERY FUCKING YEAR. If you don't have a shot at actually winning the BIG game you have to make changes. If I coached Manning I would humble him and find a way to make him value the team more than himself.

Of the 5 QB's you listed which of those teams had the same run at the playoffs every year? The Bills did and I already said obviously somthing was missing... The 49ers did great with Steve Young as QB and they won when they made it to the big game. The only loss I recall fo rthe 49ers in the playoffs was when they played Greenbay @ Greenbay. It was cold and snowing iirc, and ofcourse they lost but it was close.

I don't think Greenbay or Warren Moon (4 teams played for) or the Dolphins had a consistently good team like the Colts have had over the years. Colts defense has always been suspect imo even in their best years but the offense always racked up plenty of points to compensate until a great team dominated Manning defensively.

Disp · 10-14-2009, 09:10 PM

Ok, but you could have just been upfront and told us you're trolling and spared us the trouble of reading your posts. I'm just saying.

Genjiro · 10-14-2009, 09:12 PM

What a bunch of shit, sorry but you just look like someone who has some personal grudge. He won a Super Bowl, and has never had an all world defense, which is much easier to win a championship with.

Moontayle · 10-14-2009, 09:48 PM

The only thing the Bills lacked was a clutch kicker. Otherwise we'd be talking about a 1-3 Super Bowl team instead of an 0-4. Also, as Genj just said, it's hard to win the big game without a good defense. The Bills had a decent defense but it's obvious that they couldn't handle the schemes that New York, Washington, and Dallas threw at them. Hell, the New York offense controlled the ball for over forty minutes. If the Bills make one or two more stops than the did, we're not even looking at a game winning FG. They've won the game.

Still, you're right that they missed something. It's difficult to pinpoint what because of how much they dominated the AFC for three of those four years (4th year was a fluke, Houston threw that game).

Ham n Cheese · 10-14-2009, 09:53 PM

Hey guys at least we know who the new resident sports retard is. Welcome to your new role, Cathan. You can now go not play fantasy football with the rest of your squad.

Adam12 · 10-14-2009, 09:56 PM

Oh Akileese, how we've missed thee.

Anyway, to the point of the Bills, they did run into some pretty epic fucking teams. The balance of power, pre salary cap was definitely in the NFC's favor, especially considering that the 49ers still had an insane amount of talent, challenged each year that Buffalo made it, and still failed themselves. That's not all on Jim Kelly.

arkk123 · 10-14-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cathan

There's only "1" winner EVERY FUCKING YEAR. If you don't have a shot at actually winning the BIG game you have to make changes. If I coached Manning I would humble him and find a way to make him value the team more than himself.

What a fucking retarded statement about Manning. How could you possibly rationalize that in any way?

Disp · 10-14-2009, 11:28 PM

Yeah I think the NFC won 13 straight Super Bowls or something. The 49ers, Cowboys, Packers and Giants (for a couple years in the early 90's) just had way too much talent in the 80's and through the mid nineties.

We used to joke that the NFC championship game was the real title game because the NFC was somehow leagues ahead of the AFC year after year.

Gilgamel · 10-15-2009, 12:36 AM

Brady is outstanding, but he's never been in Manning's class. He won three Super Bowls with an outstanding defense and the best coach of his generation. Peyton has won 12 games a year with a mediocre to terrible defense and a coach whose idea of flexibility was flipping his undersized rush ends while he dropped back into his zone. The fact that the Patriots nearly won their division last year without Brady shows you just how good Belicheck is. If you flip teams Manning is probably a five time SB winner and Brady is just a very good player on a middle of the road team.

Ham n Cheese · 10-15-2009, 12:45 AM

I think he's likely the best QB who has ever played, only others in the discussion to me is Montana and Marino imo. Then again Marino doesn't have a ring so Cathan probably thinks he doesn't even belong in the hall.

Antoine · 10-15-2009, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathan

When you guys are done sucking Manning off don't forget how many playoff LOSSES he has racked up.

Tard boy above said Brady was overrated but what is Brady's playoff win vs loss total? Something like 18 wins to 2 losses?

Football is about winning. Stats don't mean a fucking thing when you have 1 QB that wins clutch playoff games and another that doesn't. Tom Brady isn't the only guy to compare Peyton to, how about Ben R.??? Big Ben has 2 rings.

Imo the lame duck Colts wouldn't have the single superbowl win if the Bears had a real fucking QB that year. Rex Grossman was the worth QB that ever made it to the big game imo. The Bears had SOO MANY chances to win that game it was pathetic watching Grossman literally throw it all away.

My opinion of Peyton Manning hinges on 1 single post game interview too. When the Steelers won the Superbowl back in 03 I believe it was their first playoff game was against the Colts that were like 15-1 that season. Steelers blitzed that Manning fool absolutely relentlessly. When Peyton was interviewed he didn't shoulder the blame with something like, "Team just didn't get it done today." Instead he BLAMED the offensive line and the defense.

Real quarterbacks are team players and leaders. That's why the Colts look stellar in the regular season racking up all those wins but when it counts his boys aren't there for him, he's no leader. If he was the Colts would have been declared a Dynasty 5 years ago because his team would be there behind him and they'd win because he is a great fucking qb, he's just not a leader....

I think Peyton is the smartest QB in the league with the no huddle offense he runs and his ability to call plays and audibles the way he does. Fucking shame he's an asshole his team won't 100% get behind him...

are you trying to say terry bradshaw is the greatest qb of all time

Snuggles · 10-15-2009, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Antoine

are you trying to say terry bradshaw is the greatest qb of all time

lol'd pretty hard. well done.

10-14-2009, 08:59 PM	#3664 (permalink)
Cathan Pope of the Cathan Throng! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Orleans Posts: 1,141	Fuck Jim Kelly... I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd rather never make it to the big game EVER than lose it 4 in a row. Fuck Jim Kelly and the Bills of the 90s... Just plain fuck all of them. Best losers??? Absolutely... Something was obviously missing from that team if they couldn't close the deal even once. Steve Young did what they say can't be done today, he replaced an incredible QB and continued the winning. My hat's off to him and Montana, espeically with all that concussion craziness that was going on he played through. There's only "1" winner EVERY FUCKING YEAR. If you don't have a shot at actually winning the BIG game you have to make changes. If I coached Manning I would humble him and find a way to make him value the team more than himself. Of the 5 QB's you listed which of those teams had the same run at the playoffs every year? The Bills did and I already said obviously somthing was missing... The 49ers did great with Steve Young as QB and they won when they made it to the big game. The only loss I recall fo rthe 49ers in the playoffs was when they played Greenbay @ Greenbay. It was cold and snowing iirc, and ofcourse they lost but it was close. I don't think Greenbay or Warren Moon (4 teams played for) or the Dolphins had a consistently good team like the Colts have had over the years. Colts defense has always been suspect imo even in their best years but the offense always racked up plenty of points to compensate until a great team dominated Manning defensively. __________________ You Better Shut Your Mouth or I'll FUCK IT!!!!!!!

10-14-2009, 09:12 PM	#3666 (permalink)
Genjiro We bawlin boi! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,818	What a bunch of shit, sorry but you just look like someone who has some personal grudge. He won a Super Bowl, and has never had an all world defense, which is much easier to win a championship with. __________________ Genjiro--Legacy of Steel--EQ1 sexy monk (retired) Entreri--Guildleader of Ardent Legion--EQ2 (retired) "The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." -- H.L. Mencken

10-14-2009, 09:53 PM	#3668 (permalink)
Ham n Cheese The sky calls to us Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 12,417 +58 Internets	Hey guys at least we know who the new resident sports retard is. Welcome to your new role, Cathan. You can now go not play fantasy football with the rest of your squad. __________________

10-15-2009, 12:36 AM	#3672 (permalink)
Gilgamel King Me Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rocky Top Posts: 2,461 +0 Internets	Brady is outstanding, but he's never been in Manning's class. He won three Super Bowls with an outstanding defense and the best coach of his generation. Peyton has won 12 games a year with a mediocre to terrible defense and a coach whose idea of flexibility was flipping his undersized rush ends while he dropped back into his zone. The fact that the Patriots nearly won their division last year without Brady shows you just how good Belicheck is. If you flip teams Manning is probably a five time SB winner and Brady is just a very good player on a middle of the road team. __________________ Just an earthbound misfit, I

10-15-2009, 12:45 AM	#3673 (permalink)
Ham n Cheese The sky calls to us Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 12,417 +58 Internets	I think he's likely the best QB who has ever played, only others in the discussion to me is Montana and Marino imo. Then again Marino doesn't have a ring so Cathan probably thinks he doesn't even belong in the hall. __________________

10-14-2009, 08:20 PM	#3662 (permalink)
Wombat Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 672 +0 Internets	Manning's trends aren't anything new. Pretty much every record Favre has broken recently all but had a caveat saying "...until Manning surpasses it". Will Manning go down as the greatest athlete at quarterback, especially in the modern era? Absolutely. Will he go down as the greatest quarterback? Probably not, unless he gets more deep playoff victories - Brady and (it shocks myself to say), at this rate, Roethlisberger have the edge as "winners". Unless, of course, the Colts get down to business and go 19-0 this season, sticking a stake through the heart of Belichick. Isn't that something we all (outside of Boston) can get behind?

10-14-2009, 09:10 PM	#3665 (permalink)
Disp Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: CA Posts: 808 +6 Internets	Ok, but you could have just been upfront and told us you're trolling and spared us the trouble of reading your posts. I'm just saying.

10-14-2009, 09:48 PM	#3667 (permalink)
Moontayle Brilliant! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,820	The only thing the Bills lacked was a clutch kicker. Otherwise we'd be talking about a 1-3 Super Bowl team instead of an 0-4. Also, as Genj just said, it's hard to win the big game without a good defense. The Bills had a decent defense but it's obvious that they couldn't handle the schemes that New York, Washington, and Dallas threw at them. Hell, the New York offense controlled the ball for over forty minutes. If the Bills make one or two more stops than the did, we're not even looking at a game winning FG. They've won the game. Still, you're right that they missed something. It's difficult to pinpoint what because of how much they dominated the AFC for three of those four years (4th year was a fluke, Houston threw that game).

10-14-2009, 09:56 PM	#3669 (permalink)
Adam12 Hobophobic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,291 +26 Internets	Oh Akileese, how we've missed thee. Anyway, to the point of the Bills, they did run into some pretty epic fucking teams. The balance of power, pre salary cap was definitely in the NFC's favor, especially considering that the 49ers still had an insane amount of talent, challenged each year that Buffalo made it, and still failed themselves. That's not all on Jim Kelly.

10-14-2009, 11:28 PM	#3671 (permalink)
Disp Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: CA Posts: 808 +6 Internets	Yeah I think the NFC won 13 straight Super Bowls or something. The 49ers, Cowboys, Packers and Giants (for a couple years in the early 90's) just had way too much talent in the 80's and through the mid nineties. We used to joke that the NFC championship game was the real title game because the NFC was somehow leagues ahead of the AFC year after year.

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