Vernon Forrest shot and killed in carjacking.

[Screamfeeder]

Former world champion boxer Vernon Forrest killed in Atlanta shooting - ESPN

What the fuck is going on? I used to love watching this guy. Not a hugely popular fighter but a damn good pound for pound boxer. Really sucks.

[k^M]

whats going on is celebrity's are getting whacked left and right, apparently. Whether it by jacking, sticking their dick in the crazy, or just plain bad luck, glad I'm not a celebrity

[Kasi]

Well if the idiot hadn't decided to go chase two men who tried to jack his car with a brandished gun maybe the guy would be alive today.

[Clericnon2boxed]

so he had a handgun and they had semi-automatics, I guess the lesson is that celebs need full-automatics, the NRA should really push that

[Jozu]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Well if the idiot hadn't decided to go chase two men who tried to jack his car with a brandished gun maybe the guy would be alive today.

Ever seen the guy fight? Do you know what kind of character this guy had? He wouldnt back down from anybody, whether it was inside the ring or out. He payed the ultimate price for it this time, but to sit there and blame his death on him trying to handle a live situation is on some bitch shit.

Not to mention his girlfriends kid was in the fucking car.

Dumb fuck.

[Kasi]

His girlfriend's kid is in the car. Which means he is responsible for him. Him above anything. So no you don't go fucking running after guys with your gun out. Who the fuck is watching the kid while he's off getting shot? Obviously the people who shot him are to blame for his death, no one should doubt that. But the guy would be alive today if he set aside his ego and had looked after the kid. He should have just gone into the store, found the kid, called 911 and waited for the cops.

Dumb fucks are people who equate the boxing arena with a situation where you are the ward of a young child and have no need to get revenge for the attempted jacking when first and foremost your job is to protect the kid's life. Looking at the article again (it's been updated more) it looks like some guy asked him for money and then stole his wallet and ran. Forrest took chase, and then at some point shots started being fired. It's pretty unclear exactly what happened.

[Jozu]

Well, your point is taken, but like you said, no one knows really what happened besides Forrest and the two dudes.

And what do you think boxers fight in a vacuum? That shit isnt pro wrestling, what them guys show in the ring translates to their persona outside of it.

Mike Tyson is the shining example of this.

[dak]

Ever seen the guy fight? Do you know what kind of character this guy had? He wouldnt back down from anybody, whether it was inside the ring or out.

So what you're trying to say is his life of reckless negligence finally came back and bit him in the ass?

He payed the ultimate price for it this time, but to sit there and blame his death on him trying to handle a live situation is on some bitch shit.

Should have handled it by not wandering away from an unlocked Jaguar in the middle of Atlanta with a kid in the back seat at almost midnight. Those air pumps are always in some dim lit far corner...what was he thinking? I mean there is hindsight bias when reflecting on anything but most people wouldn't set up such an inciting situation. This guys negligence ranked up there with people who leave their kids in hot cars while they shop.

Not to mention his girlfriends kid was in the fucking car.

Even more reason not to unload three semi-automatic weapons into each other. Not only do you risk hitting the kid but also are making the situation very personal...especially if you manage to actually hit one of the carjackers.

Two skeevy Atlanta crackheads aren't gonna hold the fucking kid for ransom and surely wanna avoid catching a child murder case. But if you blow his friends brains out all over the windshield chances are he's gonna be both pissed and in need of a hostage.

Most likely situation if Vernon had chilled the fuck out is they would have punted the kid out of the car as soon as they were a clear distance away and he would have gotten a banged up Jag back later that night.

Of course there's always a chance that the carjackers could have had terrible plans for the child but even then a police roadblock is going to be vastly more prepared for dealing with the situation through violence than a caught off guard random dude with a pistol.

Dumb fuck.

He fucked up bad. He shouldn't have been in the situation and he should have never pulled the gun. This kind of shit is why a lot of people take up issue with second amendment rights...legions of assholes out there don't know when to pull and just make things worse for themselves. You bring a gun to a knife fight but you don't bring it to a fight when the opposition has two better guns, cover and your kid in between them.

If I was in the same situation I won't deny my conscious would be screaming for me to do exactly what Vernon did and I would probably end up dead for trying. Gotta fight that first instinct though because for 99.9% of the population fatally injuring two people shooting at you with semi-automatic weapons, with a car and child as cover isn't going to happen.

[Jozu]

Originally Posted by dak

So what you're trying to say is his life of reckless negligence finally came back and bit him in the ass?

Ummm no, my point was that his proud nature and unwillingness to backdown put him in a position to lose his life. Saying he was a "reckless" and "negligent" individual speaks volumes about how much you really know about the guy. He was actually a very intelligent and reflective human being.

Should have handled it by not wandering away from an unlocked Jaguar in the middle of Atlanta with a kid in the back seat at almost midnight. Those air pumps are always in some dim lit far corner...what was he thinking? I mean there is hindsight bias when reflecting on anything but most people wouldn't set up such an inciting situation. This guys negligence ranked up there with people who leave their kids in hot cars while they shop.

Actually you got it wrong, as did I at first, considering the story was still developing. The godson was actually inside of the gas station store during the robbery attempt, so he didnt wander away from the kid. Secondly, how the fuck can you compare him pulling over to put air in his tires to a dumb bitch mother who leaves her kids in a hot car for hours? The kid went inside the store to get snacks, and Forrest was putting air in his tires at a public gas station....are you seriously that inept?

Even more reason not to unload three semi-automatic weapons into each other. Not only do you risk hitting the kid but also are making the situation very personal...especially if you manage to actually hit one of the carjackers.

Two skeevy Atlanta crackheads aren't gonna hold the fucking kid for ransom and surely wanna avoid catching a child murder case. But if you blow his friends brains out all over the windshield chances are he's gonna be both pissed and in need of a hostage.

Most likely situation if Vernon had chilled the fuck out is they would have punted the kid out of the car as soon as they were a clear distance away and he would have gotten a banged up Jag back later that night.

Of course there's always a chance that the carjackers could have had terrible plans for the child but even then a police roadblock is going to be vastly more prepared for dealing with the situation through violence than a caught off guard random dude with a pistol.

You are making assumptions and speculating here. How the fuck do you know it was two "skeevy crackheads" that tried to rob him? I mean, your normal crackhead usually doesnt escapade around with fucking semi-automatic weapons...they would prolly just sell any gun they came across for crack.

Which leads me to believe it was a couple of hungry stick up kids looking for trouble, and Forrest attempted to handle the situation with a pistol he OWNED FOR REASONS JUST LIKE THAT. And, your logic is even more flawed once you consider the fact that two desperate drug addicts would be much more likely to body an innocent victim during a robbery attempt, than a couple of street hardened criminals.

He fucked up bad. He shouldn't have been in the situation and he should have never pulled the gun. This kind of shit is why a lot of people take up issue with second amendment rights...legions of assholes out there don't know when to pull and just make things worse for themselves. You bring a gun to a knife fight but you don't bring it to a fight when the opposition has two better guns, cover and your kid in between them.

When did I say he didnt fuck up? The whole point of my original post was to refute the comments about him causing his own death, I never said what he did was smart, but to say it was his fault he died is asinine.

Whats the gun culture like over there in France anyway? You seem to have a pretty warped perception about how these kind of things tend to develop,

[dak]

*Shrug* They gave him time to make the choice to pull a gun or submit, he made his choice and now he is dead and rotting I really don't need to defend my argument any further.

Oh, by the way people in large metropolitan areas who deal in crack tend to have guns since users tend to be...you know...unstable? Maybe where you are from and junkies are all strung out former suburb kids you think users are all slouches but saying someone posted up on the streets of Atlanta looking for action (I.E. selling crack) isn't going to be holding a gun is foolish.

If there was some high level scheme don't you think there would have been some speculation by now in the news? Seems like the cops are calling it a car jacking by just two random hungry hustlers.

And lol @ France...that's a joke. Right now I'm bouncing around the Texas/Mexican border Brownsville/Laredo/Kingsville mostly...prior to that I was in the Baltimore/DC area before that Northwest Houston. I wish I was in France.

Kid was in the store? Fine, I was working off initial reports but that's just even less of a reason for him to have gotten shot. Moron thought he was a bad ass because he was bred to swing hard, should have kept that gun in his pants, thrown his wallet and ran zig zagging in the opposite direction to cover. Now he's dead. Dead like a bitch.

[Jozu]

Oh, by the way people in large metropolitan areas who deal in crack tend to have guns since users tend to be...you know...unstable? Maybe where you are from and junkies are all strung out former suburb kids you think users are all slouches but saying someone posted up on the streets of Atlanta looking for action (I.E. selling crack) isn't going to be holding a gun is foolish.

Dude WHAT THE FUCK are you talking about? When did I say that a crack dealer shouldn't hold heat? I said that a crack HEAD usually doesnt carry semi auto weapons, not crack DEALERS. Wow.

Now he's dead. Dead like a bitch.

Yeah, I see what kind of tangent you are on here, so im good.

[dak]

Dude WHAT THE FUCK are you talking about? When did I say that a crack dealer shouldn't hold heat? I said that a crack HEAD usually doesnt carry semi auto weapons, not crack DEALERS. Wow.

I'm pretty sure your entire view on what a crack head is was shaped by mid-90's ghetto culture movies. Reality check...most people who use crack still hold down jobs and still have income that doesn't go entirely to crack. I don't recall the actual numbers I saw but where I was in Northwest Houston mid/early 90's like an eight of the workforce was estimated to be regular daily users of either heroin or crack/cocaine. I met plenty of people who'd commute to south Houston for menial factory work and would smoke it to get through the day, people with families who had been doing it for over a decade.

It wasn't even THAT bad of an area, lower middle class poor but not grinding poverty. It was bad enough that you'd wanna have a gun on you if you were driving around late at night scoring crack in acres homes next door though.

Plenty of these "functional crackheads" jobs are...you guessed it drug dealers. Granted the ones I've known were usually coke heads but I'm sure they use some when they make rocks. I'm not trying to support crack usage in any way, it's a shitty drug for generally shitty people but assuming that usage makes them incapable of taking action and getting shit done is a mistake.

Anyways, this isn't a discussion of who knows more crackheads. I was using crackhead as a general term for unstable, desperate person. Besides, you are GROSSLY underestimating how many regular Joes are running around with concealed weapons license or not.

Look...if two guys try to car jack you with automatic weapons, please, I implore you to take your own advice, draw your gun and let us know how it goes in screenshots.