2009 MLB Season - Page 30

tjac · 11-02-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Blumpster

Owned. Just as I predicted(not like that says much since everyone predicted the same thing basically), they can't hang with the Yankees without Cliff Lee on the mound. Also, LOL at Ryan Howard totally whiffing on home plate.

The Phillies have the bats for the Yankees. I wish they had really gone all out and traded Happ and Draybek for Halladay in addition to Lee. This series would be over.

If the Phillies want to win game 6, they should start Happ, or at least have Pedro on a 3 run/6 inning leash with Happ on call.

I wish Manuel would leave Park in for more than an inning. He's good for 2-3, and he's the best reliever they have.

And if they somehow make it to game 7, Hamels is going to have to redeem himself, and I would have Lee ready to pitch. Fuck rest. They've got triage pitching to do.

Gilgamel · 11-02-2009, 09:52 PM

Why hasn't Happ been pitching? Wasn't he in the rookie of the year discussion all year?

tjac · 11-02-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilgamel

Why hasn't Happ been pitching? Wasn't he in the rookie of the year discussion all year?

No friggin' clue. He's been wasted for a lot of the playoffs, in my opinion. He's a noob, but he's unflappable, and iirc, he locked down the Yankees during interleague play.

The other thing about Happ is that he's capable of pitching complete games...

Thorpe · 11-03-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Neferata

I know, but sometimes Burnett just has these starts that are torture to watch. I cringe every time it's his turn in the rotation. When he's on, it's great, when he's off it's like we're automatically spotting the opposition an insurmountable lead. I just wish we could determine when Burnett is having one of those nights before he spots the other team 6 runs.

Welcome to how Philadelphia fans feel about watching the 2008 World Series MVP pitch this season.

manslayer · 11-03-2009, 09:51 AM

Not a huge suprise that the Yankees lost game 5. Pretty frustrating in that they scored enough runs in a game Lee started that they could have won the game, but Burnett was pretty awful.

Kasi · 11-03-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilgamel

Why hasn't Happ been pitching? Wasn't he in the rookie of the year discussion all year?

There was a reason that the Jays didn't want to trade Halladay for Happ. Maybe the Phillies realize it too. (Happ is an average pitcher but in the NL he looks much better than he would facing AL East lineups often) The Phillies didn't want to part with any of their top 3 prospects so they get no Halladay. JP is gone now, but thankfully he didn't let them rip him off like they did Cleveland.

arkk123 · 11-03-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasi

There was a reason that the Jays didn't want to trade Halladay for Happ. Maybe the Phillies realize it too. (Happ is an average pitcher but in the NL he looks much better than he would facing AL East lineups often) The Phillies didn't want to part with any of their top 3 prospects so they get no Halladay. JP is gone now, but thankfully he didn't let them rip him off like they did Cleveland.

Huh? He won 12 games this year. 12-4 and has gone the distance a couple of times.

the Phillies just refused to put him in a package for Halladay.

What tjac said was if they gave up Drabek(their top pitching prospect) and Happ for Halladay AFTER the Lee trade, they'd have both Lee and Halladay.

He isn't pitching because he started his career for us in the bullpen, so he has done it before. Blanton pitched in relief against Colorado and hasn't done well, and neither has Happ really, but Happ has filled that role in the past. Obviously Lee is #1, they went with Pedro because of the big stage and because they paid him to come here and start, Blanton isn't a reliever, and Cole is the fucking reigning World Series MVP who can't pitch worth a damn lately(read: this year)

I really think Cole may not get a start in 6 or 7. They'll use Happ tomorrow and Pedro in 7 if it goes that far, or vice versa, but the extra rest for Pedro may be beneficial.

Kasi · 11-03-2009, 12:30 PM

Yeah he did go 12-4. In the NL East. Keith Law I think made a post on his blog about it. Said that AL East scouts weren't very impressed with Happ and didn't think he would be any better than a 5th starter in the division. Blue Jays already have tons of 4th and 5th starters, but if you're giving up Roy you at least need a bonafide number 2 in return.

From what I read about the trade discussions, the Jays were looking for Drabek plus one of the two OFs in the system. But the Phillies kept trying to throw in Happ or Carrasco instead. They just really didn't want to trade Drabek, and kept trying to offer Happ instead. The guy like you said was 12-4, but they're basically not pitching him at all which seems odd given that.

Pedro is starting game 6 from what I've read btw.

arkk123 · 11-03-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasi

Yeah he did go 12-4. In the NL East. Keith Law I think made a post on his blog about it. Said that AL East scouts weren't very impressed with Happ and didn't think he would be any better than a 5th starter in the division. Blue Jays already have tons of 4th and 5th starters, but if you're giving up Roy you at least need a bonafide number 2 in return.

From what I read about the trade discussions, the Jays were looking for Drabek plus one of the two OFs in the system. But the Phillies kept trying to throw in Happ or Carrasco instead. They just really didn't want to trade Drabek, and kept trying to offer Happ instead. The guy like you said was 12-4, but they're basically not pitching him at all which seems odd given that.

Pedro is starting game 6 from what I've read btw.

They wanted Drabek, Michael Taylor and 2 others that they weren't set in stone on.

Happ pitched against the Yankees this year and did well.

I told you why he isn't/wasn't starting. How does he fit in the rotation with the 4 other pitchers mentioned? They all have priority over him and there is no where to put him.

Kasi · 11-03-2009, 01:02 PM

Pitching your first time around in the majors tends to favor the pitchers. On the second time the hitters tend to catch up pretty well. This happened with at least 3 different first year Blue Jays starters this year (Cecil, Romero, Rzepcynski). I'm just saying if he really is good, than he should be in there instead of Blanton and maybe even Pedro. Blanton has pitched relief before and could fill in fine as a long reliever, which seems a much better proposition against the Yankees.

tjac · 11-03-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by arkk123

They wanted Drabek, Michael Taylor and 2 others that they weren't set in stone on.

Only a few months ago and you already forget! It was Drabek, Happ, and Brown, and the Phillies rejected the offer:
Sources: Philadelphia Phillies won't meet Toronto Blue Jays' demands for Roy Halladay - ESPN

The Phillies could have pretty easily had Halladay if they had only agreed, and they'd have been in the playoffs with Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Blanton, and Martinez. i don't think it ever occurred to them that they could have both Halladay and Lee -- Lee was always the backup plan.

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I'm just saying if he really is good, than he should be in there instead of Blanton and maybe even Pedro. Blanton has pitched relief before and could fill in fine as a long reliever, which seems a much better proposition against the Yankees.

I think you're right. Blanton I'm ok with, afterall he came from the American league and he's not in his twilight. But I worry about Pedro looking too familiar for game 6. I would start Happ tomorrow night (if only he'd gotten in more playoff innings).

Ham n Cheese · 11-04-2009, 09:58 PM

I want to strangle trey wingo. I thought if you worked for espn you were supposed to at least pretend to be objective?

-Godzilla!
--So far in game 6..matsui 4 phillies 1
---Double play!
----There is no better feeling than seeing rivera coming out of the pen....
-----Jeter, pettitte, posada and rivera...one for the thumb!

Gilgamel · 11-04-2009, 10:04 PM

Fuck baseball and buying championships. Seriously. So tired of it.

If the NFL gets rid of its competitive balances I might stop following sports all together.

arkk123 · 11-04-2009, 10:15 PM

Oh well we had plenty of opportunities and there's plenty of places to look and blame. Won it last year, were in it again this year. How can you complain?

Good for the Yankees.

Ham n Cheese · 11-04-2009, 10:28 PM

pedro feliz was a corpse out there with MOB

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Gilgamel King Me Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rocky Top Posts: 2,461 +0 Internets	Why hasn't Happ been pitching? Wasn't he in the rookie of the year discussion all year? __________________ Just an earthbound misfit, I

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Ham n Cheese The sky calls to us Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 12,417 +58 Internets	I want to strangle trey wingo. I thought if you worked for espn you were supposed to at least pretend to be objective? -Godzilla! --So far in game 6..matsui 4 phillies 1 ---Double play! ----There is no better feeling than seeing rivera coming out of the pen.... -----Jeter, pettitte, posada and rivera...one for the thumb! __________________

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11-03-2009, 09:51 AM	#440 (permalink)
manslayer El Presidente Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Deep Dark Cold Posts: 536 -3 Internets	Not a huge suprise that the Yankees lost game 5. Pretty frustrating in that they scored enough runs in a game Lee started that they could have won the game, but Burnett was pretty awful.

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Kasi Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 865 +5 Internets	Yeah he did go 12-4. In the NL East. Keith Law I think made a post on his blog about it. Said that AL East scouts weren't very impressed with Happ and didn't think he would be any better than a 5th starter in the division. Blue Jays already have tons of 4th and 5th starters, but if you're giving up Roy you at least need a bonafide number 2 in return. From what I read about the trade discussions, the Jays were looking for Drabek plus one of the two OFs in the system. But the Phillies kept trying to throw in Happ or Carrasco instead. They just really didn't want to trade Drabek, and kept trying to offer Happ instead. The guy like you said was 12-4, but they're basically not pitching him at all which seems odd given that. Pedro is starting game 6 from what I've read btw.

11-03-2009, 01:02 PM	#445 (permalink)
Kasi Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 865 +5 Internets	Pitching your first time around in the majors tends to favor the pitchers. On the second time the hitters tend to catch up pretty well. This happened with at least 3 different first year Blue Jays starters this year (Cecil, Romero, Rzepcynski). I'm just saying if he really is good, than he should be in there instead of Blanton and maybe even Pedro. Blanton has pitched relief before and could fill in fine as a long reliever, which seems a much better proposition against the Yankees.

11-04-2009, 10:15 PM	#449 (permalink)
arkk123 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 882 -72 Internets	Oh well we had plenty of opportunities and there's plenty of places to look and blame. Won it last year, were in it again this year. How can you complain? Good for the Yankees.