[CFB] 2009-2010 season of awesome

[Araxen]

I'm all for Oregon in NC Game. Actually, I'm for whatever will get Obama and Co to help abolish the BCS and force a playoff system so shit like this doesn't happen anymore.

[Ham n Cheese]

Originally Posted by Kasi

We've had teams get into a national title game with one loss in years that mid majors got 0 losses. And those losses were not to a top ten ranked team on the road.

So if we're comparing this:

Team A: Loss at home to an unranked team.
Team B: Loss on the road to a top ten team.

Team C: Unbeaten mid major.

This isn't what I'm talking about. This isn't undefeated TCU I'm comparing them to, I'm comparing to a team they've ACTUALLY played. I think think you may be ignoring the most important part of the point.

Oregon jumping a team they actually loss to. Not jumping a team that had a better record than, or a team with even the same record like last years OU/UT where OU jumped UT for the NC. A team that is undefeated, BEAT team B and will still be left with their dicks in their hand.

I don't know how team B can argue they're better than team C if they've actually loss to them. They can say they've had to play harder games, but that's it. The NFL works because when push comes to shove the teams have to play each other. In this situation, the teams have played each other, team C won, team C is the better team until proven otherwise.

[Genjiro]

You cant decide rankings based on a body of work off of one game in a vacuum, it doesn't work that way Ham. Else everyone would just hope to play one game and say hey I proved myself and then beat up high school teams all year with no challenge. In the BCS system, to have these kind of conversations both sides have to play Devils Advocate, which really proves how dumb it all is.

Fuck cfb, and now that ESPN has the BCS games for the next 4 years, you will not hear any of their talking heads pulling hard for a playoff either.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Ham n Cheese

This isn't what I'm talking about. This isn't undefeated TCU I'm comparing them to, I'm comparing to a team they've ACTUALLY played. I think think you may be ignoring the most important part of the point.

Oregon jumping a team they actually loss to. Not jumping a team that had a better record than, or a team with even the same record like last years OU/UT where OU jumped UT for the NC. A team that is undefeated, BEAT team B and will still be left with their dicks in their hand.

I don't know how team B can argue they're better than team C if they've actually loss to them. They can say they've had to play harder games, but that's it. The NFL works because when push comes to shove the teams have to play each other. In this situation, the teams have played each other, team C won, team C is the better team until proven otherwise.

I am with Genjiro. Their quality of schedules aren't anywhere close. So Oregon lost to them. Big deal. You think Boise could have done to USC what Oregon did tonight? No. Oregon is the better team. Your way of thinking promotes wimpy ass scheduling and penalizes tough schedules.

Team C is not better til proven otherwise because since that time Team B beat 4-5 other good teams (3 of them ranked) while Team C has played no one. That is all the proof I need.

I could care less about the win/loss record. College football has been put to sham enough because it seems all people care about is just getting that 0 in the loss column. I care about quality of teams. If a team is clearly the better team but has one more loss because they've played a far tougher schedule, than they need to be rewarded.

What I've seen of Florida and Texas shows to me that even with one loss, they're more deserving of being in the title game than any of the current unbeatens other than Bama. Win/loss record is important, but not that important.

[Gilgamel]

So what's your hypothetical top seven or eight for tomorrow?

I guess I would go:
UF
UT
Bama
TCU
Cinci
Oregon
Boise
Iowa


Which puts Boise behind a team they beat, but that's what makes the most sense to me. TCU vs Oregon on a neutral field I would probably take Oregon, but for some reason I think TCU is a better team overall.

Edit: forgot Cinci

[Kasi]

Top 10 would be:

UF
UT
Bama
TCU
Cinci
Oregon
Iowa
Boise
GT
LSU

Edit: I think people really underestimate TCU and especially Cinci. I give TCU the nod over them for now, but if Cinci wins out that means wins over Pitt and WVU in back to back weeks. That would bump them past TCU for me to the top of the no loss teams. Oregon could pass TCU to me if they win out (since TCU only has one good team left, Oregon has 3), but I'm not sure if I'll ever feel fine having them pass Cinci. I think a 0 loss Bearcat team is similar in quality to Oregon but with one less loss.

I guess my philosophy is 1) rank teams by quality (however I measure it) 2) if tied in quality, than rank by some combo of SOS and win/loss record. I feel it's a shame that college football tends to do it the reverse way, although the Big 10 as of late has done their job of making people see that.

[Ham n Cheese]

You would think you would understand after hearing Big Least jokes for the last 5 years. What the hell is Boise St supposed to do? The system is broken and no matter how good a Mid Major/non *power* conference does in it this is going to continue to happen.

I'm not saying "hey Boise St proved themselves because they beat 1 team". I'm saying under this particular situation they did and I expressed that reasoning in the previous post. Oregon & USC throttled the shit out of Cal, but because Oregon did it first it vaulted them up. How can Oregon look at Boise St and say "we are better than you", they played, they LOSS.

If the conferences want to argue "well our conference is so tough so of course we're going to have 1 loss" then they should be the biggest supporters of a playoff. Don't stand pat and only argue against the BCS when its convenient for that school at that time. If you beat a top 5 team and win out there's no reason you shouldn't have some sort of shot at getting your chance.

It's not like Oregon is going on the road either and slaying giants. All their big wins are at home (like Boise Sts). USC didn't exactly look great at any point during this year, a loss to Washington, escaping ND/Oregon St and tOSU. I realize the talent Oregon is playing on a week to week basis is probably better but let's not fool ourselves into thinking this USC team was really a top 5 team

[Regime]

Originally Posted by Gilgamel

I don't even want to think about all that crap. The fact that we don't have a playoff gets more and more asinine by the year.

sweet and for the 100th time, 2014.

Might as well go and watch your Titans...

Oh wait

(Lol I am a Chiefs fan so don't get to pissy)

[Gilgamel]

Originally Posted by Regime

sweet and for the 100th time, 2014.

Might as well go and watch your Titans...

Oh wait

(Lol I am a Chiefs fan so don't get to pissy)

I won't get pissy. I'm pumped up to watch the return of Vince. I have almost convinced myself he's going to shock the world and do a great job. AND we get our two corners back. So basically I'm thinking we run the table and go to the playoffs.

Who's with me?

[Genjiro]

Originally Posted by Ham n Cheese

You would think you would understand after hearing Big Least jokes for the last 5 years. What the hell is Boise St supposed to do? The system is broken and no matter how good a Mid Major/non *power* conference does in it this is going to continue to happen.

I'm not saying "hey Boise St proved themselves because they beat 1 team". I'm saying under this particular situation they did and I expressed that reasoning in the previous post. Oregon & USC throttled the shit out of Cal, but because Oregon did it first it vaulted them up. How can Oregon look at Boise St and say "we are better than you", they played, they LOSS.

If the conferences want to argue "well our conference is so tough so of course we're going to have 1 loss" then they should be the biggest supporters of a playoff. Don't stand pat and only argue against the BCS when its convenient for that school at that time. If you beat a top 5 team and win out there's no reason you shouldn't have some sort of shot at getting your chance.

It's not like Oregon is going on the road either and slaying giants. All their big wins are at home (like Boise Sts). USC didn't exactly look great at any point during this year, a loss to Washington, escaping ND/Oregon St and tOSU. I realize the talent Oregon is playing on a week to week basis is probably better but let's not fool ourselves into thinking this USC team was really a top 5 team

Well like I said, you have to be stupid to even argue within the bounds of this system--but we do anyways and we all look dumb haha. It would be like sitting around just chatting, you can argue using logic, but we have to argue against each other using the rankings of voters, coaches, and computers to subjectively decide who gets to play. And we all have somewhat different criteria for that.

It would be like going into a court room as a lawyer and the judge saying you had to argue your case only using laws that were written by retarded 5 year olds. Thats the BCS system in a nutshell. But I will say, that in the BE you are usually seeing 2-3 top 25 teams a season within the conference. How many WAC teams are ranked that way?

Is it fair to Boise? No. Is it fair to everyone else? No. It sucks both ways, and we all know it.

[Kasi]

Boise is supposed to schedule tough OOC games. Simple as that. They have 3 games, not 1. They need to do what Houston did, schedule 3 BCS schools. They didn't so they don't get in. Simple enough. Oh also playing in a better conference would be good. Not that they have much control over it. MWC is actually a legit conference now with multiple quality teams. As long as the WAC remains a 1.5 team conference (Boise plus whomever shows up that year, Fresno or Hawaii) than they're going to suffer. There is a reason TCU is rated higher than Boise. They won two tough OOC games intead of one and their conference offers them multiple signature wins, while Boise's constantly reminds us what a joke the WAC is.

Yes we all agree the system is broken. I don't like it either. I want a playoff, or at least a plus one game. Do you see anyone in here supporting the BCS system? God no you're preaching to the fucking choir.

As for the Cal point, funny enough when Oregon beat them it was all "Cal choked" and when USC beat them it was "USC is a really good team". That's the fucking double standard that all Pac 10 teams have gotten recently in the Carroll era.

If Oregon wins out (and that's a big if) they'll have beaten USC, Cal, Arizona, Oregon State and Utah. 4 of those 5 are currently ranked and Oregon State by year's end will have creeped it's way into it. Not to mention the other solid mid pac 10 teams that we'll have beaten. Boise will have beaten Oregon and yeah that's it. No comparison.

[Gilgamel]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Boise is supposed to schedule tough OOC games. Simple as that. They have 3 games, not 1. They need to do what Houston did, schedule 3 BCS schools. They didn't so they don't get in. Simple enough. Oh also playing in a better conference would be good. Not that they have much control over it. MWC is actually a legit conference now with multiple quality teams. As long as the WAC remains a 1.5 team conference (Boise plus whomever shows up that year, Fresno or Hawaii) than they're going to suffer.

Yes we all agree the system is broken. I don't like it either. I want a playoff, or at least a plus one game. Do you see anyone in here supporting the BCS system? God no you're preaching to the fucking choir.

As for the Cal point, funny enough when Oregon beat them it was all "Cal choked" and when USC beat them it was "USC is a really good team". That's the fucking double standard that all Pac 10 teams have gotten recently in the Carroll era.

If Oregon wins out (and that's a big if) they'll have beaten USC, Cal, Arizona, Oregon State and Utah. 4 of those 5 are currently ranked and Oregon State by year's end will have creeped it's way into it. Not to mention the other solid mid pac 10 teams that we'll have beaten. Boise will have beaten Oregon and yeah that's it. No comparison.

People won't play Boise. I'm sure your Ducks would be just thrilled to set up another home and home after the debacle you had to open the season. It won't help you in recruiting, it is a losable game to a non-BCS school, and you can curry more favor for other sports by scheduling a middle of the road team in another BCS conference with less chance of defeat. For example we made Calipari's whiny ass play us home and home when he was at Memphis even though he wanted a neutral site game or else we were going to stop playing them in football and take away their biggest paycheck. That shit goes on in scheduling all the time, and who cares about Boise in any sport other than football?

Like Genj said it is a shitty system that produces shitty results and almost every outcome is justifiable and at the same time completely unfair. But according to the BCS retards we're talking about it, so it's doing its job.

[Ham n Cheese]

Houston got those games because they've been terrible. Boise has been pretty solid for the last decade, nobody wants to schedule them

[Kasi]

I'm tired of this fucking decable crap. It was a 19-8 loss on the road on the season opener. I've seen way worse losses by top ranked teams. I'm sick that til now no one nationally can say Oregon with out bringing up that game. The only reason people care about it is that there was a stupid fight. It certainly wasn't fair for Oregon to drop from top 15 to out of the ranking because they lost on the road to a higher ranked team. It took them to that Cal game to get back into it, even though they beat Utah on the way there.

Anyway, agreed the system is shitty and I want a playoff. The point for me is I want good games for the bowls. Boise to me just doesn't match up. The mantra is that the big conference teams play tough games week in and week out. It wears them out. One win does not make a full body of work.

Edit: I'm sure there are teams that will face Boise. If anything there is a list of solid mid majors that are a lot better than Miami of Ohio and Bowling Green. Play teams like TCU, East Carolina, Houston, etc. If you want look at their previous schedules, check out espn.com or a football guide book.

Even when they were just getting into their winning ways, they only played one bcs team a year. The one year they scheduled two, Georgia and Oregon State stomped them and they went back to one good team plus cupcakes.

[Gilgamel]

Originally Posted by Kasi

I'm tired of this fucking decable crap. It was a 19-8 loss on the road on the season opener. I've seen way worse losses by top ranked teams. I'm sick that til now no one nationally can say Oregon with out bringing up that game. The only reason people care about it is that there was a stupid fight. It certainly wasn't fair for Oregon to drop from top 15 to out of the ranking because they lost on the road to a higher ranked team. It took them to that Cal game to get back into it, even though they beat Utah on the way there.

Anyway, agreed the system is shitty and I want a playoff. The point for me is I want good games for the bowls. Boise to me just doesn't match up. The mantra is that the big conference teams play tough games week in and week out. It wears them out. One win does not make a full body of work.

Dude I watched the entire game. You got your asses handed to you, your so called star player went insane and got himself suspended, your new head coach looked over his head and your former head coach turned AD was on the sideline whispering in his ear. The potato farmers completely shut down your previously explosive offense which was being led by a new head coach whose entire qualification for the job was being the architect of said explosive offense. The announcers even said it was just about the worst possible start to the Ducks season, and that Belotti was undermining Kelly by his actions. That is the very definition of a debacle.

It makes what you've done since then all the more impressive, but don't act like there wasn't considerable consternation both from your own fan base and from the national press the morning after.