de la Hoya vs Pacquiao

[Believe]

So this fight is less than a week away. Common sense tells me that de la Hoya is going to pulverize Pacquiao, and this will most likely be the case.

If de la Hoya can land any clean left hooks, I don't see how Pacquiao can make it. Just watching some of his old fights, he can get pushed around pretty easily by punches in lower weight classes...they're fighting at 12lbs higher than Pacquiao has ever fought. I don't think he's ever faced anyone who hits as hard as de la Hoya.

But, he is one of the top P4P right now. He has a lot of heart, and great work ethic in the ring, so I won't be completely surprised if he pulls and upset.

[Believe]

And to get you guys a little pumped up about this fight:

[Silence]

And in the left corner, wearing red boxers with yellow trim, fishnet stockings and Christian Louboutin slingbacks, is Oscar De La Hoya!

[Grimmlokk]

Originally Posted by Believe

So this fight is less than a week away. Common sense tells me that de la Hoya is going to pulverize Pacquiao, and this will most likely be the case.

Common sense says DLH will lose like he has every single huge marquee fight in his entire career.

Not quite fair I guess, but damn close. Who has he beaten in their prime? Of all the really huge fights he has had, I think Ike Quartay might be the only one he won. Not talking about hugely hyped fights, talking about fights against people considered truly great at the time. Going back to when he gave away the Trinidad fight right up until he got dominated by Mayweather. He simply does not step it up on the biggest stage.

This is not something you can really accuse Manny of.

Pacquiao(I'd like to buy a vowel!) by unanimous decision. It's certainly possible DLH could win by KO. With his size advantage it's even more possible. But in my eyes he will just be outclassed from bell to bell. It will probably be a split decision because some retard/corrupt judge will give it to Oscar like they always do, but it won't be enough.

[kcxiv]

He wont lose to Manny. Manny is too small. Its going to be the same shit as when Oscar went up to fight Hopkins when he had no business due to sheer size. I guess anything can happen, but i just dont think Manny is going to hurt Oscar at all.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Grimmlokk

Pacquiao(I'd like to buy a vowel!) by unanimous decision. It's certainly possible DLH could win by KO. With his size advantage it's even more possible. But in my eyes he will just be outclassed from bell to bell. It will probably be a split decision because some retard/corrupt judge will give it to Oscar like they always do, but it won't be enough.

Becuase that happened with Meyweather, Mosely and Trinidad right? Give me a break. Know what your talking about when it comes to corrupt judging and Oscar. All of them rights i said were very close fights and he didn't win not a single one of them.

I am not a big Oscar fan at all. Never have been.

[Grimmlokk]

He was completely outclassed against Mayweather and one of the judges still gave him it by two points.

Anyways, I worded it poorly in the first place. Didn't mean Oscar specifically is judged corruptly, just that there always seems to be a judge in every fight who fucks it up.

I used to be a huge DLH fan. Going back to the Olympics. That's why I'm so hard on him now. Been disappointed so many times. He always seems to do just enough to be competitive, but not quite enough to win in these types of fights.

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Grimmlokk

He was completely outclassed against Mayweather and one of the judges still gave him it by two points.

Anyways, I worded it poorly in the first place. Didn't mean Oscar specifically is judged corruptly, just that there always seems to be a judge in every fight who fucks it up.

I used to be a huge DLH fan. Going back to the Olympics. That's why I'm so hard on him now. Been disappointed so many times. He always seems to do just enough to be competitive, but not quite enough to win in these types of fights.

I am a fan because DLH gives a good competitive fight, even as an older boxer. Honestly, you want to stack up who has fought who? Look at who Mayweather has fought vs. who DLH has fought.

I hate watching Mayweather fights, as they are usually boring as hell. Only reason I tune in, is in the hopes of someone kicking his ass. Otherwise, I get to watch Mayweather score some decent shots in once in awhile, while the other guy beats the hell out of Mayweather's shoulder.

In the end I dont watch DLH fights, because I think he will win them. I watch them because it will be a good competitive fight with a lot of action. As far as your judge comments, DLH has gotten robbed on more then one occassion. He has also won his fair share of marque fights during his heyday. He is 100% ahead of a lot of boxers who shirk good fight cards, and imo his Golden Boy productions (along with MMA interest bleed off) is one of the main reasons for a slight resurgence in boxing.

[Believe]

Oscar got dominated by Mayweather? What fight were you watching?

I said this back then, and I'll say it again. Floyd won, I won't disagree. But I feel like Oscar lost it more than Floyd won it.

[Grimmlokk]

I was watching the fight where Mayweather was clearly the better fighter that night and clearly won, yet one judge still gave it to Oscar.

Look at his record. He is a legitimately great fighter, no doubt. But look at the fights that were biggest. Against his fellow greats. In their primes. He lost twice to Mosely, he completely gave away the fight against Trinidad, he got KO'd by Hopkins(a fight he was in, as always. More size than anything), and he lost to Mayweather.

He beat Ike Quartay when he was still great, probably his best win. Though Quartay was a little overrated. He beat Cesar Chavez, but he was well into his 30s and had more mileage on him than you can imagine, at the time and it was like his 97th and 105th fights. Camacho, Vargas, Gatti, Mayorga were all more hype than anything else. None of them were really in his class.

So in his 7 real marquee fights against his contemporary greats, he's won twice. 3 out of 8 if you count the second Chavez fight. 1st definitely does. You can maybe give him Pernell Whitaker, though he was clearly on the way out then.

I just feel like he *should* have won almost every one of them. Certainly the 1st Mosely fight and the Trinidad fight at the very least. It feels weird to say that someone who has had belts at 5 or 6 different weightclasses has had a disappointing career, but I can't help but think of what could have been. Or what should have been even.

Honestly, you want to stack up who has fought who? Look at who Mayweather has fought vs. who DLH has fought.

Who has Mayweather ducked? Serious question, never followed him nearly as closely as De La Hoya. He beat Castillo twice, Coralles, Juda, DLH, and Hatton. Beat, not "fought".

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Originally Posted by Grimmlokk

Who has Mayweather ducked? Serious question, never followed him nearly as closely as De La Hoya. He beat Castillo twice, Coralles, Juda, DLH, and Hatton. Beat, not "fought".

Margarito...

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Grimmlokk

I was watching the fight where Mayweather was clearly the better fighter that night and clearly won, yet one judge still gave it to Oscar.

Look at his record. He is a legitimately great fighter, no doubt. But look at the fights that were biggest. Against his fellow greats. In their primes. He lost twice to Mosely, he completely gave away the fight against Trinidad, he got KO'd by Hopkins(a fight he was in, as always. More size than anything), and he lost to Mayweather.

He beat Ike Quartay when he was still great, probably his best win. Though Quartay was a little overrated. He beat Cesar Chavez, but he was well into his 30s and had more mileage on him than you can imagine, at the time and it was like his 97th and 105th fights. Camacho, Vargas, Gatti, Mayorga were all more hype than anything else. None of them were really in his class.

So in his 7 real marquee fights against his contemporary greats, he's won twice. 3 out of 8 if you count the second Chavez fight. 1st definitely does. You can maybe give him Pernell Whitaker, though he was clearly on the way out then.

I just feel like he *should* have won almost every one of them. Certainly the 1st Mosely fight and the Trinidad fight at the very least. It feels weird to say that someone who has had belts at 5 or 6 different weightclasses has had a disappointing career, but I can't help but think of what could have been. Or what should have been even.



Who has Mayweather ducked? Serious question, never followed him nearly as closely as De La Hoya. He beat Castillo twice, Coralles, Juda, DLH, and Hatton. Beat, not "fought".

Just to pick two fighters off your list. Hatton was fighting out of weight class, I dont think anyone gave him a real shot and beating Mayweather. I wouldnt call that "taking a risk". Judah has proven overrated imo. Lots of potential, but wasted potential at that. Lack of discpline etc. Past that, you cannot compare anyone on that list with who DLH has fought.

In the end, I am also argueing that DLH is a better "entertaining" fighter, who can box and play defense, and still put out one hell of a fight. You know what you get with Mayweather, a boxer who has elite defenses, and will strike enough to score points. Does he win? Yes. Is it boring as hell at times? Yes.

[Scientologist]

So is there anyway to watch this that doesn't involve buying the $60 PPV? I mean I like boxing but that's way too fucking much.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Hang around the thread and beg someone to link some streams come fight night. Go to a sports bar... Or if you have HBO they'll show it a week later.

[Araxen]

I have alot of respect for DLH because he isn't afraid to fight the top guys unlike RJJ who never fought anybody till the end of his career.