Hacker Uncovers Chinese Olympic Fraud

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Awanka

I find these arguments to be whiny bullshit. So I guess 5 year old infants make the best gymnasts, huh? If you're younger you're also not as strong, bones aren't as developed, have less experience, etc.... The proper response to getting your ass handed to you by underage kids is to shut your mouth and walk away embarassed.



This is the only real reason for disqualification, because it's against the rules. In any game if you break the rules you're out, or else the game has no merit.

So if you lose to an underage person it's because you suck?

So maybe in your infinite wisdom you can explain why a country would risk their reputation, their gold medals and the future career of a tween if wasn't advantageous to do so?

Obviously if they are doing it they are doing it for a reason... and it isn't to make it easier for others to win.

[Chanur]

Originally Posted by Awanka

I find these arguments to be whiny bullshit. So I guess 5 year old infants make the best gymnasts, huh? If you're younger you're also not as strong, bones aren't as developed, have less experience, etc.... The proper response to getting your ass handed to you by underage kids is to shut your mouth and walk away embarassed.



This is the only real reason for disqualification, because it's against the rules. In any game if you break the rules you're out, or else the game has no merit.

Clearly our secret weapon should be 70 year old men and women. They must defeat the young whipper snappers!

[Awanka]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

So if you lose to an underage person it's because you suck?

So maybe in your infinite wisdom you can explain why a country would risk their reputation, their gold medals and the future career of a tween if wasn't advantageous to do so?

Obviously if they are doing it they are doing it for a reason... and it isn't to make it easier for others to win.

If you lose to little kids in anything but the limbo, you should be shame-faced. Even worse if you sit around making excuses for how you got out-classed athletically by an undeveloped girl.

Conjecture: The Chinese took these risks because these little gymnasts were the only shot they had of winning a gold, not because of their age, but because of the talent lottery. If they could have magically turned them 16, I'm sure they would have.

It was a pretty stupid thing to do on the part of China I'll agree. Don't ask me what they were thinking. I don't know.

[Awanka]

Originally Posted by Chanur

Clearly our secret weapon should be 70 year old men and women. They must defeat the young whipper snappers!

I'll take your extreme example and raise you a 3 month fetus.

[Grimmlokk]

Originally Posted by Awanka

I'll take your extreme example and raise you a 3 month fetus.

If it's not an advantage why have the found underage kids in other events? Male gymnastics, track and field, and swimming to be precise.

[Goliath]

Hackers do so much more good for the world than they do harm. I wish the scientology hacker army would start owning.

[Lucifar]

Those secret documents all list date of birth as Jan 1st whatever year.

I doubt those ages are accurate on those registration either, they just put something down to enter the competition. (Kind of like people signing with an X)

I assume that a couple of those girls were sub 16, but I don't think the 'hacker' has actually found any conclusive evidence of anything.

[Slayder]

Pfft. Who cares about proof?

Take a look at the girl. She doesn't have anything close to resembling a tit. I don't know about you guys, but when I was that age ever girl I ever laid eyes on that was 16 *at least* had some mosquito bites. Oh well, maybe i'm not that well versed on Chinese physiology.

Still...the proof, as they say, is in the pudding.

[roger]

Asians are known to look younger, but even that, she dosn't look 16y'old at all, heck, i was giving her 12 rather than 14, i hope she get caught.

[Twobit Whore]

Doubt anything will come of this. They are pretty much taking the standpoint of looking at a passport and accepting it at face value. But oh, those are 'official' Chinese government issue passports. There is no way they could be falsified. Why would they do that?

Like I said in a post somewhere else, no one has the balls to push the issue far enough at the risk of damaging 'relations' between the countries. The primary beneficiary of an overturning would be the U.S. so the onus is us to pursue it to the end and we just won't.

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Like I said in a post somewhere else, no one has the balls to push the issue far enough at the risk of damaging 'relations' between the countries AND BECAUSE ITS FUCKING GYMNASTICS FOR CHRISTS SAKE

Error corrected.

[Kuriin]

The reason why this is bad is because as you grow older, your bones begin to fuse together, thus limiting some flexibility. Now, you can fight this by pushing yourself (or being pushed) to stretch constantly.

Other than that, I really see no advantage. :P

[Horse]

Well, isn't it an arbitrary rule anyway? Shouldn't the olympics be about who is the best at something?

If a 14 year old is better at gymnastics than a 16 year old why the fuck are we watching 16 year olds?

I mean besides the:

[Necrolyte]

Originally Posted by Horse

Well, isn't it an arbitrary rule anyway? Shouldn't the olympics be about who is the best at something?

If a 14 year old is better at gymnastics than a 16 year old why the fuck are we watching 16 year olds?

I mean besides the:

There's a few documentaries on this.

The basic premise is that for female gymnasts, younger undeveloped bodies have a better center of gravity and can spin faster (simple physics). So, the younger gymnasts do have an advantage, and the documentary also did a study on average age of female gymnasts in in the Olympics and it was rare to have 21+ year old female gymnasts.

About the age rule, it's because of safety. Basically injuries at 14 are more likely to have a long-term effect. People ask, "Well aren't these 14 year olds competing at the junior and amateur levels anyways?" The documentary explained that yes, they are competing at these junior levels however the difficulty rankings of their routines to place in the top 3 are drastically easier compared to the difficulty rankings of routines in the Olympics.

To compete in the Olympics, these 14 year olds would have to do 6.0+ difficulty ranking routines which are prone to injury and long-term bodily harm in both practice and competition on a 14 year old body. That's why the age limit rule was set to begin with.

EDIT:: For males, you see older athletes because a lot of their routines require greater strength as well. However, if you noticed a few of the Gold Medalists, the athletes had small bodies and were well known to be amazing "spinners" and flippers, which adds a lot of difficulty points to routines.

[Awanka]

Originally Posted by Necrolyte

There's a few documentaries on this.
The basic premise is that for female gymnasts, younger undeveloped bodies have a better center of gravity and can spin faster (simple physics). So, the younger gymnasts do have an advantage, and the documentary also did a study on average age of female gymnasts in in the Olympics and it was rare to have 21+ year old female gymnasts.

Being younger is only beneficial up to a certain age, and there's a big difference between 16 and 21. All this crying about Chinese gymnasts having an advantage is a bunch of whiny bullshit spewing from the mouths of butt-hurt pussies. The 16 age limit is there to protect the gymnasts, not because 14 year olds have some kind of ungodly athletic advantage.

Do I have to spell out everything? Shawn Johnson and Nastia are better gymnasts now than when they were 14 and the under-aged Chinese girls will most likely be as well. As far as this center of balance and height crap, Shawn Johnson is the same height as the Chinese girls. Oh look, in two sentences I just took down all these shitty unfair competition arguments coming from the mouths of retards.

Edit: I don't want to seem like I'm coming down on you Necrolyte. You wrote a reasonable post. It's directed toward the dipshits who are giving me -internets and don't know basic set theory: that A and B being grouped doesn't necessarily imply causality.