[CFB] 08-09 Season Extravaganza

[Sunder]

I hate to do this, but Dumar is right. The Little 10/PAC10 were not the only ones who would have opposed it. The Big 12 and Big East would have been a 'no' vote also.

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe said his league's member schools voted in March not to support any changes to college football's postseason.

"There's a strong feeling in the Big 12 that what we have is working well," Beebe said. "There's great satisfaction with the regular season and the postseason."

Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese told reporters he favored an unseeded version of a plus-one, which would set the championship game matchup after the four major bowls are played using the BCS standings, over seeding the top four and playing them off.

"The seeded model looked like a playoff, and we don't think a playoff is in the best interest of college football," he was quoted as saying by The Associated Press.

ESPN - BCS will not change current non-playoff system - College Football

[Twobit Whore]

+1 is essentially the same as a playoff. He only wants it unseeded because he knows the odds of a Big East team being in the top 4 on a consistent basis are very low. Either way, playoff or +1 is much better than what we have and the only ones who oppose ANY change are the Big10 and PAC10.

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

+1 is essentially the same as a playoff. He only wants it unseeded because he knows the odds of a Big East team being in the top 4 on a consistent basis are very low. Either way, playoff or +1 is much better than what we have and the only ones who oppose ANY change are the Big10 and PAC10.

Read the Big 12 quote again and amend your statement.

[Genjiro]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

+1 is essentially the same as a playoff. He only wants it unseeded because he knows the odds of a Big East team being in the top 4 on a consistent basis are very low. Either way, playoff or +1 is much better than what we have and the only ones who oppose ANY change are the Big10 and PAC10.

Well, right, but not because hes trying to slide the Big East in, but he knows the gay as shit bias that exists out there in voters towards the Big East. People are retards, which is why Tranghese wanted it that way.

What did WVU end up last season after beating the unadultered living shit out of Oklahoma (who half the nation was saying should be in the title game)? We ended up ranked 6th. Give me a fucking break.

Everyone in the nation who were unbiased and watched the bowl games knew after they were over that there is no question we should be in the top 4 teams in the nation. But fucking Missouri ended up ranked 5th, for fucks sake OSU who got assraped ended up ranked FOURTH in the coaches poll. The ranking system is a fucking joke, we would have destroyed either one of those teams, ffs Oklahoma beat Missouri soundly, twice.

Also, fuck you Notre Dame-- right up your collective Catholic asses with a thorny baseball bat. Why the fuck do they continue to get pandered to, their AD got to have a vote in this while entire other conferences had 1 voice, or even no voice at all for the non BCS conferences. Notre Dame should either be forced to join its basketball team in the Big East, or lose its fucking say in college football....if there is any one thing that proves the "prestige matters more than quality" argument, that is it.

[Dumar]

genj, like twobit, you're looking at it wrong. when you're talking about the commishs, you're talking about money. it doesn't matter where wvu was ranked at the end. all that matters is that they went to a bcs bowl. it doesn't matter that x fans felt cheated because of y outcome. all that matters is what CONFERENCES get the bcs bids. which are those? do you understand this?

[Dumar]

rivals top 10 heisman candidates.

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A sophomore won the Heisman Trophy last year for the first time, so perhaps another one could win it this season.

As was the case last season when Florida quarterback Tim Tebow won, at least four second-year players project to being strong challengers in 2008. Of course, Tebow may go from making history one year to repeating it the next; he could become the second player to win the trophy twice.

Still, for the fifth time, a Buckeyes running back may be the best bet.

The Heisman presentation ceremony may be 8½ months away, but here's an early top-10 list of Heisman candidates. One major caveat to keep in mind: We only considered one player per team.


Olin's Top 10 Heisman Candidates for 2008


10. Joe McKnight, RB, USC
BUZZ: Five USC running backs have won the Heisman; McKnight could make it a six-pack. Yeah, he only rushed for 540 yards and three touchdowns in 2007. However, he was a true freshman and carried 10 times or less in 10 of USC's 13 games. He never received more than 14 carries. Look for his profile and production to spike in USC's offense in 2008. And he's dangerous on punt returns, too.


9. Todd Reesing, QB, Kansas
BUZZ: A BCS bowl victory, a basketball national championship and then a Heisman Trophy? It could happen. In his first full season as a starter, Reesing distinguished himself as one of the nation's most productive quarterbacks by throwing for 3,486 yards and 33 touchdowns with only seven interceptions. In the process, he led Kansas to a 12-1 finish and Orange Bowl triumph over Virginia Tech. Reesing may have to play even better if the Jayhawks are to approach last season's success. If he does, he definitely will be a Heisman contender.


8. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
BUZZ: Bradford set a freshman record with 36 touchdown passes last season. He also led the nation in passing efficiency while completing 69.5 percent of his attempts. He threw for 3,121 yards and only had eight passes intercepted. This season, he'll operate behind one of the best lines in the country and lead a team that could be a national-championship contender. But he has to show he can flourish without wide receiver Malcolm Kelly and improve in games away from home.


7. LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh
BUZZ: McCoy is living up to the promise he showed when Rivals.com ranked him as one of the top 10 perp school prospects in the class of 2007. As a true freshman a year ago, McCoy rushed for 1,328 yards and 14 touchdowns despite being the only legitimate threat in Pitt's offense. But receiver Derek Kinder and quarterback Bill Stull are back this season, which should force defenses to loosen up against the run and give McCoy opportunities to make even more big plays.


6. Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
BUZZ: There may be no better player in the country. Certainly, none is more productive. In his debut season in 2007, Crabtree had at least nine catches in 10 games and scored at least one touchdown in 10 games. He set numerous national freshman records in posting 134 catches for 1,962 yards and 22 touchdowns. And get this – his coaches say he improved this spring. The problem is that no receiver has won the Heisman without also returning kicks, which Crabtree doesn't do. Well, not yet, anyway. Coach Mike Leach says that could happen.


5. Pat White, QB, West Virginia
BUZZ: Perhaps the most electrifying player in the country, White is a threat to score from anywhere on the field. The sight of White in the open field is usually followed by the sight of the referee raising his arms. Half of his 14 rushing touchdowns in 2007 came on runs that covered between 20 and 64 yards. He also had a 50-yard run against Rutgers and a 42-yarder against Oklahoma on which he didn't score. Just for good measure, White passed for 1,724 yards and 14 touchdowns against only four interceptions.


4. Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
BUZZ: Slippery as a wet bar of soap, Moreno squirted through defenses for 1,334 yards last season even though he received fewer than 20 carries in seven of the Bulldogs' 13 games. A potential problem for his Heisman "candidacy" could be coach Mark Richt's history of distributing the workload among multiple backs. That might not change with heralded redshirt freshman Caleb King on hand this season. But Richt no doubt is aware Moreno received more than 20 carries in a five-game stretch from mid-October to mid-November of last season and responded with 766 yards and nine touchdowns in that span – and Georgia won each game. That could warrant a change in philosophy.


3. Chase Daniel, QB, Missouri
BUZZ: Daniel was a Heisman finalist last season after ranking fifth nationally in passing and leading the Tigers to a 12-2 finish. This season, Missouri will be a serious contender for the national championship, and Daniel is the main reason. If he can match his 2007 production – 4,306 passing yards, 33 touchdowns, 11 interceptions and a 68.2 completion percentage – he'll be going to New York again. And this time he might bring back a 25-pound souvenir.


2. Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
BUZZ: Tebow, a true dual-threat at quarterback for the Gators, has to overcome history - as well as SEC defenses - to win again. Former Ohio State running back Archie Griffin is the only two-time Heisman winner. But no sophomore had won it until Tebow last season, so maybe that's just another door to break down. He'll certainly be in the conversation if he approaches the 55 combined rushing and passing touchdowns he produced in 2007.


1. Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
BUZZ: The nation's premier running back is running behind a line that returns four starters. The Buckeyes also have an experienced quarterback and two good receivers, which will force opponents to respect the threat of the pass. Wells had that last season, too, and rushed for more than 1,600 yards and 15 touchdowns despite getting fewer than 20 carries in three games. Don't expect a lack of carries this season. In his final six games of last season, Wells rushed for 967 yards and three touchdowns on runs of at least 47 yards. All that was against defenses that ranked 58th or better in the nation, including two – Penn State and LSU – that ranked among the top 11.

[Genjiro]

Originally Posted by Dumar

genj, like twobit, you're looking at it wrong. when you're talking about the commishs, you're talking about money. it doesn't matter where wvu was ranked at the end. all that matters is that they went to a bcs bowl. it doesn't matter that x fans felt cheated because of y outcome. all that matters is what CONFERENCES get the bcs bids. which are those? do you understand this?

It's not the Big East...

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

It's not the Big East...

the big east is a bcs conference. they get an auto bid. if there was a playoff system, there would be more boise states. bcs conferences don't want that. get it?

[Genjiro]

That wasn't my point, if there was a playoff based on the final rankings, just like last year, we wouldn't have made it in.

They should just use the fucking Sagarin ratings. Lo and behold, the final Sagarin rankings after the bowls had the top 4 being the 4 teams who won their respective BCS bowl games (minus Georgia, but who cares--win your fucking conference). The BCS is a fucking fraud, yes, because of the money issue--nobody is disputing that. The point is, that a playoff *should* generate a lot more money than bowls do *if* they fucking did it right anyways, which is what they are bitching about.

[Dumar]

it would gen more money, but that money would be spread around more, less in the coffers of the bcs schools.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

That wasn't my point, if there was a playoff based on the final rankings, just like last year, we wouldn't have made it in.

They should just use the fucking Sagarin ratings. Lo and behold, the final Sagarin rankings after the bowls had the top 4 being the 4 teams who won their respective BCS bowl games (minus Georgia, but who cares--win your fucking conference). The BCS is a fucking fraud, yes, because of the money issue--nobody is disputing that. The point is, that a playoff *should* generate a lot more money than bowls do *if* they fucking did it right anyways, which is what they are bitching about.

Who was first in the Sagarin rankings? I never looked after the season ended. Link would be nice too since I can't be arsed to google.

[Genjiro]

USATODAY.com

[cdyhybrid]

If Demarco Murray from Oklahoma starts then he should be in that Top 10. The kid is sick. Also, Jake Locker for my dark horse/blatantly homerish Heisman pick

[Genjiro]

Yea, they put a disclaimer in that though that they only took 1 player per team, so Bradford won out for OU. Same with us and Pat White, I expect Noel Devine would be somewhere on that list for next year, especially with the ESPN next thing on him and so forth.

Who knows though, I don't expect Tebow to put up those kinds of numbers again this year, if he does he's gonna be getting hurt again.

[WillzZz]

He better not put those numbers up again.

And although I regret to admit this, you guys do understand that Dumar is right, ya? It's about money. BCS conferences currently have auto bids to the most viewed and televised games in the country. A playoff would negate that (to some degree... a large enough field would allow auto bids from conferences, much like the basketball tourney. Would require a complete redo of the bowl system)

Personally I think if you're going to do a playoff do it all the way. These +1 etc ideas are just, well, around here we call them bandaid fixes I suppose. A 32 team tourney is fair to everyone, bcs and otherwise. People will always be left out. Look at Basketball, there are always discussions about teams who are snubbed.

Anyways, it's a pointless topic. None of us are going to decide it, and I'm pretty sure I speak for all of us when I say that nobody is going to stop watching football to try to get a change. I know I sure as hell won't, last two years have been great fun.\


edit: Oh, and I'd probably put Knowshon on top of the Heisman hopefuls right now. Georgia may not have as easy a road to a championship as OSU (what else is new?) but they're going to be frontrunners most of the year, and he'll be leading the way. I'd even put stafford on the list, but he's prone to mistakes and Stafford gains a lot more by having Knowshon than Knowshon gains from having Stafford =P