'07-'08 NBA Playoffs

[Kugbok_Fennin]

Originally Posted by cdyhybrid

The Fisher "no-call" was played out as it should have been. There's no way you can call that. Even the Spurs themselves said so. Let it go.

I agree, in the context of that game, it was the right call...however, being a huge Lakers fan, they could have easily given two shots to Barry or called him on the travel.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Araxen

It's funny how people bitch about the officiating yet still watch the sport. They've lost me a long time ago as the NBA is about as bad with officiating as the WWE is but at least the WWE admits their sport is pre-determined unlike the NBA.

I Dont complain about it often. I have a few times this post season, but i just like the sport itself. I love when 1 team takes control of the game and the other team self destructs. Thats what i love. I love see'ing people frustrated while playing and have no answer for the other team. I still find enjoyment out of most of them games.

[Slick Willey]

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Hmmmm . . . makes you wonder. Funny thing is, a lot of people have felt that Kobe and the Lakers have been getting a LOT of calls in their favor during the playoffs up to the Championship, almost as if the NBA *wanted* the Lakers to make it to the finals, but now Lakers fans are thinking there is a conspiracy to have the Celtics win it all

[Yutnopash]

Anyone watching espn just see the thing they had about Curt Schilling being at Game 2 and observing?

It's kinda long so I'll spoiler it..some good insight from a guy who doesn't follow basketball. Theres a bit of Celtic rooting but overall it's good. Also, his 5th point made me lol...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Ok, so I get some ridiculously good tickets for Game 2 of the NBA Finals last night. This was the 2nd chance to see the Celts up close. A few observations.

I had ZERO idea that the NBA game was that physical. Damn. The big boys are getting after it on every play.

Kevin Garnett, and not that this needs to be stated, but I’ll say it anyway, is as focused and locked in as any athlete in any sport I’ve been around. From pre-game shoot around to last seconds on the clock, this kid is legit. The intensity and reputation are there, wow. His eyes are on the floor, or the ball, all game. What an incredible pleasure it is to watch and be a fan of. I am blown away in that he came out of high school, something that can be a huge disadvantage, and has ALWAYS maintained who he was purported to be.

The first game I saw from these seats the Coach for Washington was basically taunting KG when he was at the line, saying a bunch of things, KG was ignoring him for the most part until he said something that must have been a bit too much, KG pauses, looks over and basically tells him to go piss up a rope.

Last night KG goes to the line, Lamar Odom (who I became a fan of last night) is saying “Hey KG why don’t you help on the ball down here?” Pointing to the paint, and I am guessing he’s referencing the fact that KG wasn’t down in the paint mixing it up. He says it again, loudly, KG doesn’t even acknowledge him, and sinks both. Impressive, total focus.

One thing I did learn was that in addition to not having one ounce of athletic ability, being white, and having no vertical, and only being able to dribble right handed, I couldn’t play in the NBA because about 43 times last night I heard things being said that would have made me swing at someone. These guys talk MAJOR trash on the floor, and the great part is that most of the times I’ve seen it the guy on the receiving end usually doesn’t respond much, if at all, and just plays the game, schooling the guy who feels like he needs to talk to make his game better.

Paul Pierce is friggin good. What a game. Who on the Lakers can defend him?

I always wondered about the bitching and moaning of NBA coaches and players with regards to officiating and last night I was literally on the floor to see and hear it first hand. Things I heard and saw.

1) KGs first quarter Technical. I heard EVERY word of his exchange with the ref. It’s nice to know that they share the same problems some players do with MLB umpires. He was giving a technical because he said the F word, period. He did NOT call the ref a name, he was bitching about a non-call and said “C’mon, what the F am I supposed to do” and got the T. Now I watch both Pierce, and I think Allen, talking to this ref and he shoots back to Paul this little tidbit. “I can’t let him talk to me that way.”

What? Dude, your an NBA official, not the stinking Pope. Not one person in the arena paid 1 cent of their ticket to see you, ref the game and shut your pie hole. These guys are playing for a world championship, they are as amped up as you expect the best players in the world to be, they are grown men, there’s going to be some PG-13 language, and you are giving a T to a guy for dropping an F bomb? Stupid.

2) Every SINGLE play up and down the floor has MULTIPLE fouls being committed by multiple players. These guys are in close, every play. They are beating the crap out of each other, and the refs see it. That makes me think that the game is called and paced exactly how the refs want it to be. I wondered aloud, a few times, how in the hell calls weren’t being made against the Celts on a ton of plays in the paint where there was some serious pugilism being committed. There were a ton of ‘non-calls’ in my incredibly amateur opinion.

3) Phil Jackson knew it. Early in the game, Farmar comes to the bench during Celts free throws and asks about the next series, Jackson says “One thing I do know is we’ve got to stop !@#$&@#%$#&*()@ fouling these guys” Farmar asks what he says and he repeats the line.

4) I don’t know much about the NBA beyond some of the star players and the famous teams. I heard that the Lakers got Gasol in a horrible steal of a deal and that the league should have investigated the trade for some sort of punishable crime I saw a 7 footer last night who grabbed like 4 rebounds and spent the entire game whining about getting fouled.

5) Kobe. This one stunned me a little bit. Who doesn’t know Kobe Bryant right? I only know what I have heard, starting awhile back with the entire Shaq debacle. I don’t really have an opinion one way or the other on or about him other than to know that people feel he might be one of the 4-5 greatest players to ever lace it up. What I do know is what I got to see up close and hear, was unexpected. From the first tip until about 4 minutes left in the game I saw and heard this guy bitch at his teammates. Every TO he came to the bench pissed, and a few of them he went to other guys and yelled about something they weren’t doing, or something they did wrong. No dialog about “hey let’s go, let’s get after it” or whatever. He spent the better part of 3.5 quarters pissed off and ranting at the non-execution or lack of, of his team. Then when they made what almost was a historic run in the 4th, during a TO, he got down on the floor and basically said ‘Let’s f’ing go, right now, right here” or something to that affect. I am not making this observation in a good or bad way, I have no idea how the guys in the NBA play or do things like this, but I thought it was a fascinating bit of insight for me to watch someone in another sport who is in the position of a team leader and how he interacted with his team and teammates. Watching the other 11 guys, every time out it was high fives and “Hey nice work, let’s get after it” or something to that affect. He walked off the floor, obligatory skin contact on the high five, and sat on the bench stone faced or pissed off, the whole game. Just weird to see another sport and how it all works. I would assume that’s his style and how he plays and what works for him because when I saw the leader board for scoring in the post season his name sat up top at 31+ a game, can’t argue with that. But as a fan I was watching the whole thing, Kobe, his teammates and then the after effects of conversations. He’d yell at someone, make a point, or send a message, turn and walk away, and more than once the person on the other end would roll eyes or give a ‘whatever dude’ look.

Let me reiterate that this is from a complete basketball newbie, so for all I know this could be exactly how these guys play this game and interact with each other.

The contrast though, for me anyway, was watching KG and Allen, Pierce, as the game went on. I was literally ON the Laker bench so I could only watch the celts on the floor, and it was just different. it was all about who has whom, who goes where, what’s up next. That could have been a direct result of the officiating and flow of the game though, more than anything.

It was just amazing to watch a game where the Lakers came out, completely set the tempo in the first few minutes and TOTALLY dominated the final four minutes, and in between the Celtics completely dominated them.

Anyway, what a rush and a total enjoyment to be a part of. Celtic fans were damn impressive. Oh and one more thing. I think it’s fantastic that there seems to be this mutual support thing going on here in NE. You fans are being treated to your third World Championship appearance since last October and that’s awesome. But at each one there seems to be a crossover, Celts and Sox at the Super Bowl, Pats, Bruins and Celts at the World Series, and last night Sox and Pats all over the place. Cool stuff.

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by Yutnopash

One thing I did learn was that in addition to not having one ounce of athletic ability

Lol, love hearing that from an A-Class hall of fame baseball player.

[Burkex]

Schilling's post was better than 99% of sports writers that get paid for a living to report that stuff. Why because it was honest, fresh, and different. I am sick of the same stories and kissing players asses like Kobe or Lebron. Yea they can dunk nice, big deal, write an honest, fresh, and different story for once. I wanna see your opinion not a general repost I can see on sportscenter, have some balls and make it interesting. Seriously I would love to see Schilling do sports for the Boston Globe when he retired.


As for the whole foul thing in the NBA it is pretty bizarre how some of the refs call fouls. On guys like Michael Jordan I have seen him trip and fall and nobody touched him, in fact nobody was near him, and Michael got the foul call (NO JOKE THIS HAPPENED). Michael Jordan averaged like 30 points well like 10-15 of those would always be free throws. Some players get so many cheap phantom foul calls that it is just crazy...Lebron, Kobe, MJ, and so on. Yes...Kobe is one of these players and for Lakers fans to cry about it is just sad. Look at Shaq that guy gets raped and still doesn't get calls. The refs are just not consistent. The fact is that last night Phil Jackson told his players to stop fouling. They are not playing good D they are hacking the Celtics. When the Celts played the Cavs and Pistions the Celtics did a lot of hacking. When I watched the games I would yell out "Play D...stop fucking hacking." The fact is the Lakers D sucks and the Celts D is pretty nasty. Do you see the types of shots they force Kobe to take? They are some crazy shots. The reason the C's are winning is the same reason the Giants beat the Pats in the Super Bowl....better defense. So stop hacking and start moving your feet.


So yea EXPLAIN TO ME how this is an offensive foul? This is what MJ did his entire career, (ball fake draw contact then shoot, and get the basket +1):

Look how far RIP jumped. You leave your feet like that expect a foul to be called.


The NBA refs just SUCK!
NO WAY THIS IS A NO CALL!!!! If it was Kobe, Lebron, or Jordan they would have gotten the call. Yea they sell it better but players shouldn't have to sell it/flop to get a call.

[Hippos]

lol repost nm. go teams go.

[Genjiro]

I think the guys kind of a d-bag myself, but part of that goes to losing respect for him when he called up his buddies at Sony to get his EQII guild summoned into a raid zone they were locked out of, just for a first raid kill when everyone else was racing for it legit. Even tried to remain hush hush about it until it got leaked who he was and how Drow got zoned in, then had to do damage control over it.

Other than that, I mostly agree with what he wrote as far as his NBA commentary goes.

[Twobit Whore]

Schilling's blog was OK.. but I disagree with assessment of Kobe and the glossing over of KG.

When things are going bad, everyone gets upset.. even KG and that's fine. Maybe if he was sitting there when the Lakers were dominating the roles would have been reversed.

I don't care for Kobe's personality that much myself but he isn't some anomaly and to call him out like that was out of line.. but then again Curt is getting infamous for that.

[findar]

Originally Posted by Burkex

So yea EXPLAIN TO ME how this is an offensive foul? This is what MJ did his entire career, (ball fake draw contact then shoot, and get the basket +1):

because his feet are set for the shot. once he sees rip in air he moves his feet(both) and draws contact then shoots. the difference in that and the game 1 call was that he didnt move his pivot foot. so i was wrong on that assessment before.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Zeste

Lol, love hearing that from an A-Class hall of fame baseball player.

As much as i love Curt the pitcher. I dont think he's going to get into the hall.

[kedwyn]

Maybe old news, I really don't care. He has nothing to lose he also has lots of reason to want to dirty up everyone else.

Disgraced NBA ref: Playoff games were manipulated -- OrlandoSentinel.com

[Akileese]

I'm happy with the result as a Celtics fan. Kobe had his game where he went ballistic, Sashja had his only epic playoff game. Pierce was an abortion and we lose by 6 AT LA? I'll fucking take it.

They're even on calls now since LA got every 50-50 call in game 3. Game 4 should be fun.

[CXB]

I don't care that the celtics lost, at least I got to see eddie house instead of E.T.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Akileese

I'm happy with the result as a Celtics fan. Kobe had his game where he went ballistic, Sashja had his only epic playoff game. Pierce was an abortion and we lose by 6 AT LA? I'll fucking take it.

They're even on calls now since LA got every 50-50 call in game 3. Game 4 should be fun.

haha, no they didnt. It was called better, but not great.