'07-'08 NBA Playoffs - Page 40

Pharazon · 05-22-2008, 01:08 PM

Yeah, he changes his pivot foot, and I was gonna post it was a travel when I saw that clip too. However, I remember not long ago hearing somebody talking about the rules allowing for a player to change their pivot foot or something only on a step-through move to the basket or something along those lines. But no players were really aware of the rule or ever tried to take advantage of it. Not sure if that play fits in with the rule, or if the referees would even be aware or it since nobody ever tries to take advantage of it.

Kaxmax · 05-22-2008, 01:23 PM

I'd be curious to see that, I hadn't heard of a change.

It's definitely very close, but he clearly lands with his left foot first, establishing it as his pivot foot. At that point he can't pick it up & hit the floor with it again, unless the rules have actually changed.

Pharazon · 05-22-2008, 01:59 PM

Yeah its a travel, defined just as you said. "If a player has one foot on the floor or lands with one foot first to the floor, he may only pivot with that foot. Once that foot is lifted from the floor to shoot or pass it may not return until the ball is released." I guess whoever i heard talking about it was just mentioning that you can step with the other foot and leave the floor with the pivot as long as it doesn't land again before you shoot.

Hippos · 05-22-2008, 02:23 PM

I'm pretty sure this is not a travel. One of the biggest offensive skills a Center/Forward will work on is an up-and-under step through, which is essentially what Kobe did, and it is not considering traveling.

Unless I'm missing something, all I see him doing is taking two steps after he sets his pivot with his left foot, which is perfectly legal.

Kaxmax · 05-22-2008, 02:27 PM

Up and under step through doesn't involve changing your pivot foot. You head fake while squared up, then step under and through your man while he's in the air. Pivot foot never changes.

You are not allowed to take two steps after establishing your pivot foot, technically I don't even think you're allowed to jump off your non-pivot foot (I could be wrong on that though). Once you've established a pivot I'm pretty sure you have to jump off two feet, or your pivot.

Sunder · 05-22-2008, 02:46 PM

In the NBA (and it is NBA only) you are allowed to pick up your pivot foot, but it cannot hit the floor again before you pass/shoot. Kobe picks up his pivot (left) foot and places it back down on the floor before going back up in the air to shoot. This is traveling. This will never be called on anyone in the NBA. So I'm not picking on Kobe. It's not just him. It's Kobe, KG, Parker, Ginobli, Lebron, anyone that wears an NBA uniform.

Kugbok_Fennin · 05-22-2008, 03:16 PM

Section XIV-Traveling
e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot.

Sunder · 05-22-2008, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kugbok_Fennin

Section XIV-Traveling
e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot.

He has his right foot ahead of the left when he stops, picks up his dribble and backs up. AT THAT POINT he has established his pivot foot. He then changes it to step through (under) Ginobli. Thereby traveling. You're blind defense of Kobe is just fucking pathetic at this point.

Twobit Whore · 05-22-2008, 03:35 PM

That is a fucking video definition of travelling. There is no two ways about it. And yes, when you are Kobe level of stardom you are virtually immune to the call.

Adam12 · 05-22-2008, 03:42 PM

Paul travels a lot, and ofcourse LeBron, so does just about everyone. The only time you'll see it called is when it's deliberate (read: slow), and plain to see. It definitely should be called tighter, like they do in international play.

Ham n Cheese · 05-22-2008, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

That is a fucking video definition of travelling. There is no two ways about it. And yes, when you are Kobe level of stardom you are virtually immune to the call.

Saw him called for traveling on a simple dribble/pass play just a few games before the playoffs. It happens all the time in the NBA, nobody should get in a fit about it really, everyone gets away with it 99% of the time (not just superstars), though this time it was less of a travel (the fact the entire board can't decide if it was or wasn't shows this) than most of them as well. Nobody should be butt-hurt by that play but Manu

Akileese · 05-22-2008, 05:12 PM

Everyone travels in the NBA. They don't call it anymore. It's been like this for the last 10 years. Fucking drop it already.

Shutup · 05-22-2008, 07:19 PM

but it wasn't a travel
/duck

Akileese · 05-22-2008, 07:23 PM

I mean, I've heard the argument for so long now it's just annoying.

Rad · 05-22-2008, 09:30 PM

Do any of you keyboard jockies actually play ball? He picked up his dribble on the step back... therefore he has not established his pivot foot until he actually commits to the up and under.

I still agree however that there is a fuckton of traveling in the NBA. (Kobe included)

05-22-2008, 02:46 PM	#591 (permalink)
Sunder Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,158	In the NBA (and it is NBA only) you are allowed to pick up your pivot foot, but it cannot hit the floor again before you pass/shoot. Kobe picks up his pivot (left) foot and places it back down on the floor before going back up in the air to shoot. This is traveling. This will never be called on anyone in the NBA. So I'm not picking on Kobe. It's not just him. It's Kobe, KG, Parker, Ginobli, Lebron, anyone that wears an NBA uniform. __________________ "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." --Mark Twain

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Kugbok_Fennin Iran didn't do it! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orange County, CA "Margaritaville" Posts: 894	Section XIV-Traveling e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot. __________________ Kugbok -Tichondrius "Imagination is sometimes more important than knowledge..." Eckolaker's MySpace

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Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,052 -23 Internets	That is a fucking video definition of travelling. There is no two ways about it. And yes, when you are Kobe level of stardom you are virtually immune to the call. __________________ I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hand. I ball my fists and you gonna know where I stand.

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05-22-2008, 01:08 PM	#586 (permalink)
Pharazon Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 342 -2 Internets	Yeah, he changes his pivot foot, and I was gonna post it was a travel when I saw that clip too. However, I remember not long ago hearing somebody talking about the rules allowing for a player to change their pivot foot or something only on a step-through move to the basket or something along those lines. But no players were really aware of the rule or ever tried to take advantage of it. Not sure if that play fits in with the rule, or if the referees would even be aware or it since nobody ever tries to take advantage of it.

05-22-2008, 01:23 PM	#587 (permalink)
Kaxmax Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,981 +0 Internets	I'd be curious to see that, I hadn't heard of a change. It's definitely very close, but he clearly lands with his left foot first, establishing it as his pivot foot. At that point he can't pick it up & hit the floor with it again, unless the rules have actually changed.

05-22-2008, 01:59 PM	#588 (permalink)
Pharazon Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 342 -2 Internets	Yeah its a travel, defined just as you said. "If a player has one foot on the floor or lands with one foot first to the floor, he may only pivot with that foot. Once that foot is lifted from the floor to shoot or pass it may not return until the ball is released." I guess whoever i heard talking about it was just mentioning that you can step with the other foot and leave the floor with the pivot as long as it doesn't land again before you shoot.

05-22-2008, 02:23 PM	#589 (permalink)
Hippos hip, hip hop, hip hop anonymous Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 199 +5 Internets	I'm pretty sure this is not a travel. One of the biggest offensive skills a Center/Forward will work on is an up-and-under step through, which is essentially what Kobe did, and it is not considering traveling. Unless I'm missing something, all I see him doing is taking two steps after he sets his pivot with his left foot, which is perfectly legal.

05-22-2008, 02:27 PM	#590 (permalink)
Kaxmax Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,981 +0 Internets	Up and under step through doesn't involve changing your pivot foot. You head fake while squared up, then step under and through your man while he's in the air. Pivot foot never changes. You are not allowed to take two steps after establishing your pivot foot, technically I don't even think you're allowed to jump off your non-pivot foot (I could be wrong on that though). Once you've established a pivot I'm pretty sure you have to jump off two feet, or your pivot.

05-22-2008, 03:42 PM	#595 (permalink)
Adam12 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Austin Posts: 468 +0 Internets	Paul travels a lot, and ofcourse LeBron, so does just about everyone. The only time you'll see it called is when it's deliberate (read: slow), and plain to see. It definitely should be called tighter, like they do in international play.