[NHL] 2007-2008 Regular Season

Ishad · 10-03-2007, 08:59 PM

Detroit starts out with a shoot out win at home. But it feels hallow without jiggy, nieds or sheinder playing. Props to Perry for fighting Dallas Drake. Nothing says "I'm a giant pussy" than fighting someone almost 20 years older than you and not dropping the visor.

Eomer · 10-04-2007, 08:53 AM

Perry's a finesse player, I'm surprised he dropped the gloves at all. But yeah, anyone with a visor should be pulling their helmet off before they fight. He's going to have a hell of a season, I wager.

Nice to see 3 of the 4 games going to OT, gag. They really need to award 3 points for a regulation win, this is getting to be a joke. There was an article up on CBC.ca about a study done on game results since they brought in points for losing in overtime, but I can't find it. But something like 20-25% more games are ending up in OT now. It would be interesting to see league standings from the past couple years re-jigged with a 3 point regulation win, I can guarantee there'd be big changes in who made the playoffs and who didn't. Pretty sure Edmonton wouldn't have in 2005/6, for example.

Moontayle · 10-04-2007, 09:36 AM

Will be interesting to see how the Sabres do without Drury and Briere. However, if there's one thing they have going for them it has to be their Rochester AHL farm team. One of the best. The guys that replaced Drury and Briere came from there and actually played more than a few games last year as Buffalo dealt with some injuries.

Eomer · 10-05-2007, 10:23 AM

I didn't want to make any comments about the Oilers until I saw a full regular season game. Pre-season means nothing, naturally. But things are looking up for the Oil. I still don't think we'll be a playoff team this year, but the future of the franchise is looking VERY good with so many young guys suddenly stepping up. Last night our five youngest guys were the best players on the ice outside of Hemsky (who is just so damn good, I don't think it's appreciated in the rest of the league how skilled this guy is).

So yeah, I don't think we'll make the playoffs unless Hemsky, Horcoff and Stoll all have point per game seasons or near, Penner needs to pot 25, and Gagner, Cogliano and Nillson average 40-50 points each between them. But if the stars align and the rookies keep looking like they have so far, we might put together a decent season.

Even if the Oil don't make the playoffs, at least it'll be exciting, if last night was any indication. Good god Cogliano is fast.

Thorpe · 10-05-2007, 12:40 PM

After a strong first game I am feeling good about the team the Flyers put together this year. Besides, can't do much worse than last year.

Moontayle · 10-05-2007, 12:58 PM

They literally can't do worse than last year. At best they could match it. Last in the league will do that.

Eomer · 10-05-2007, 02:03 PM

Flyers definitely look pretty solid. I was going to deride their continued lack of a goaltender (it's been like a decade now fellas), but I forgot about Biron. It remains to be seen whether he'll be a good no 1, or just average, though.

Moontayle · 10-05-2007, 02:19 PM

Biron was the man in Buffalo until Miller stepped in while he was hurt back in that first season after the lockout. He continued to be a solid backup until they traded him away.

Saba · 10-05-2007, 02:22 PM

God Damn Havalt, picked him up on my pool thinking he may make it through a full season... He must be made of glass or something.

People keep harping on Perry for not taking off his helemt/visor, when Redden fought twice the same night with his on. Granted Redden's fights were a little more spontaneous and didn't have a chance to take his off, but Perry has fought and removed his helmet before. Just has some bad blood against Drake I'd guess. Since he's the one who knocked him out his rookie season, for which Drake was than suspended.

Oilers impressed the hell out of me last night, I thought they played a tough Sharks team real well. Gagner and Cogliano both looked great. Still as a Ducks fan hoping they tank for the better picks from poaching Penner from us...

Thorpe · 10-05-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer

Flyers definitely look pretty solid. I was going to deride their continued lack of a goaltender (it's been like a decade now fellas), but I forgot about Biron. It remains to be seen whether he'll be a good no 1, or just average, though.

Compared to who the Flyers use to have in goal, Biron is a fucking stud.

Eomer · 10-05-2007, 02:43 PM

My fantasy is we get 8th seed, Anaheim gets 1st, and we bounce em out first round. Oh god that would be so good. So good. Because seriously, Burke has been a fucking embarassment since the Penner offer. The shit he's been saying is completely out of line.

Saba · 10-05-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer

My fantasy is we get 8th seed, Anaheim gets 1st, and we bounce em out first round. Oh god that would be so good. So good. Because seriously, Burke has been a fucking embarassment since the Penner offer. The shit he's been saying is completely out of line.

Ducks getting 1st seed is a fantasy, even for me. Detroit is going to walk away with yet another Presidents Trophy because of the weak division. I'm glad they're supposed to be changing that up after this season.

Burkie has been going on too long about this, but he does have one valid concern. The offer sheets Lowe was throwing out has jacked up the free agent market. I don't think there's anyone around that'll tell you Vanek is worth 7+ a season. Penner may be worth his 4+, but he won't be playing with Perry and Getzlaf nor receiving outlet passes from Niedermayer or Pronger with the Oilers. The creep can roll though, he was amazing here! Just hope he doesn't turn into Lupul v2.0 for you guys.

Moontayle · 10-05-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Saba

I don't think there's anyone around that'll tell you Vanek is worth 7+ a season.

As a Sabres fan, I'm here to tell you that you are 100% correct. Vanek is damned good but it's way too early in his career for someone to be tossing him 7m+ a year. Personally, I'm interested to see how he'll do this year without Briere and Drury. Well, him and the entire Sabres team, but him moreso because with that amount of money, he better be a fucking stud.

Eomer · 10-05-2007, 04:17 PM

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Ducks getting 1st seed is a fantasy, even for me.

I just meant that as an example. 3rd and 6th would be fine with me, so long as we meet the Ducks in the first round and stomp them. But yeah, that's probably wishful thinking on my part as well. But so was the finals a couple years ago.

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Burkie has been going on too long about this, but he does have one valid concern. The offer sheets Lowe was throwing out has jacked up the free agent market.

And that's total bullshit, because there's a cap system in place. One salary or one GM is not going to distort the entire system like they could in the past. And how exactly are the Briere, Drury, or Gomez contracts not inflationary? Are inflationary free agents contracts cool, but inflationary restricted offer sheets not cool? Burke can whine and blubber all he wants, but at the end of the day what Kevin Lowe did is something that's allowed in the CBA. Furthermore, what exactly is the point of making an offer sheet to a restricted free agent that ISN'T above their true value? If it's not, the other team will laugh and match it, and all you've accomplished is pissing the other team off. And last, at least Kevin Lowe made legitimate contract offers with long terms, unlike Bobby Clarke with his weak little one year offer to Kesler last year. He truly wanted those players, and was willing to not only pay them top dollar but also give them long terms.

So yeah, at first it was amusing and good press clippings. But Burke is quickly turning into an embarassment for the league, in my humble opinion. You don't need a GM constantly making incredibly insulting comments about another GM every time someone puts a mike in front of him, it looks fucking bush league to me.

It's really too bad, because prior to this I actually had a lot of respect for Burke, he's a hell of a GM. But the guy's just a flat out egomaniacal asshole. He can blather on and on about "inflationary" contracts all he wants, but it's a total lie for him to say he's not mad about Penner but rather the effect on the league. He's smarter than that. He's probably as mad at himself for putting his team in the position that he'd get an offer sheet they couldn't match.

And no, I don't think Penner is worth 4 million a year right now. Maybe by the end of his contract he will be, who knows. As you said, I just hope he doesn't turn into another dud. To be honest, I didn't really much like what I saw of him last night, he looks lazy and unwilling to hit guys. Although he's definitely impressive when he gets the buck along the boards, kinds of reminds me of how Laraque used to rag the puck. Hopefully he makes less shitty passes up the middle that end up odd man rushes the other way

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Bottle · 10-05-2007, 04:27 PM

Penner is gonna be fine.

Burke is just posturing to take away attention to the fact that he looked like a dope throwing big money at Schnieder, and Bertuzzi and not taking care of his young talent.

The days of blowing your wad on high priced past their prime vets and giving your RFA's crumbs is over.

Also if Vanek isn't worth that money. Why did Buffalo match? You could talk about the Sabres public image. (Not that its that hot around the league) but they could have saved million and enjoyed a schwack of first rounders.

10-03-2007, 08:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ishad Fires of Heaven WoW Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 382 +5 Internets	[NHL] 2007-2008 Regular Season Detroit starts out with a shoot out win at home. But it feels hallow without jiggy, nieds or sheinder playing. Props to Perry for fighting Dallas Drake. Nothing says "I'm a giant pussy" than fighting someone almost 20 years older than you and not dropping the visor.

10-04-2007, 09:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
Moontayle Romo is a manwhore Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,910	Will be interesting to see how the Sabres do without Drury and Briere. However, if there's one thing they have going for them it has to be their Rochester AHL farm team. One of the best. The guys that replaced Drury and Briere came from there and actually played more than a few games last year as Buffalo dealt with some injuries. __________________

10-05-2007, 12:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
Moontayle Romo is a manwhore Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,910	They literally can't do worse than last year. At best they could match it. Last in the league will do that. __________________

10-05-2007, 02:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Moontayle Romo is a manwhore Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,910	Biron was the man in Buffalo until Miller stepped in while he was hurt back in that first season after the lockout. He continued to be a solid backup until they traded him away. __________________

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10-04-2007, 08:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 10,147 +37 Internets	Perry's a finesse player, I'm surprised he dropped the gloves at all. But yeah, anyone with a visor should be pulling their helmet off before they fight. He's going to have a hell of a season, I wager. Nice to see 3 of the 4 games going to OT, gag. They really need to award 3 points for a regulation win, this is getting to be a joke. There was an article up on CBC.ca about a study done on game results since they brought in points for losing in overtime, but I can't find it. But something like 20-25% more games are ending up in OT now. It would be interesting to see league standings from the past couple years re-jigged with a 3 point regulation win, I can guarantee there'd be big changes in who made the playoffs and who didn't. Pretty sure Edmonton wouldn't have in 2005/6, for example.

10-05-2007, 10:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 10,147 +37 Internets	I didn't want to make any comments about the Oilers until I saw a full regular season game. Pre-season means nothing, naturally. But things are looking up for the Oil. I still don't think we'll be a playoff team this year, but the future of the franchise is looking VERY good with so many young guys suddenly stepping up. Last night our five youngest guys were the best players on the ice outside of Hemsky (who is just so damn good, I don't think it's appreciated in the rest of the league how skilled this guy is). So yeah, I don't think we'll make the playoffs unless Hemsky, Horcoff and Stoll all have point per game seasons or near, Penner needs to pot 25, and Gagner, Cogliano and Nillson average 40-50 points each between them. But if the stars align and the rookies keep looking like they have so far, we might put together a decent season. Even if the Oil don't make the playoffs, at least it'll be exciting, if last night was any indication. Good god Cogliano is fast.

10-05-2007, 02:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 10,147 +37 Internets	Flyers definitely look pretty solid. I was going to deride their continued lack of a goaltender (it's been like a decade now fellas), but I forgot about Biron. It remains to be seen whether he'll be a good no 1, or just average, though.

10-05-2007, 02:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
Saba Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 27 +0 Internets	God Damn Havalt, picked him up on my pool thinking he may make it through a full season... He must be made of glass or something. People keep harping on Perry for not taking off his helemt/visor, when Redden fought twice the same night with his on. Granted Redden's fights were a little more spontaneous and didn't have a chance to take his off, but Perry has fought and removed his helmet before. Just has some bad blood against Drake I'd guess. Since he's the one who knocked him out his rookie season, for which Drake was than suspended. Oilers impressed the hell out of me last night, I thought they played a tough Sharks team real well. Gagner and Cogliano both looked great. Still as a Ducks fan hoping they tank for the better picks from poaching Penner from us...

10-05-2007, 02:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 10,147 +37 Internets	My fantasy is we get 8th seed, Anaheim gets 1st, and we bounce em out first round. Oh god that would be so good. So good. Because seriously, Burke has been a fucking embarassment since the Penner offer. The shit he's been saying is completely out of line.

10-05-2007, 04:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
Bottle Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 693 +1 Internets	Penner is gonna be fine. Burke is just posturing to take away attention to the fact that he looked like a dope throwing big money at Schnieder, and Bertuzzi and not taking care of his young talent. The days of blowing your wad on high priced past their prime vets and giving your RFA's crumbs is over. Also if Vanek isn't worth that money. Why did Buffalo match? You could talk about the Sabres public image. (Not that its that hot around the league) but they could have saved million and enjoyed a schwack of first rounders.