Barry Bonds Indicted

[Ibliss]

Originally Posted by arkk91

And I hate to put it like this, but OJ's money got him off for murder. Bonds' money can get him off for fucking lying about sticking a needle in his ass.

OJs charges werent federal charges. Bonds is fucked and he will spend a year in jail. The Feds had been watching Balco for over a year without Balco knowing so. They were going through the garbage, shipments going in and out, email and electronic transactions. The Feds dont hand out an indictment unless they have you by the balls. Bonds is especially fucked because he told the grand jury he had never tested positive for steroids. Im not sure why he just didnt admit to failing a piss test because after he said that, the grand jury got ahold of MLB records and said urine sample from Bonds that says he did fail a piss test and was fully aware of it. Bonds will never play baseball again, he will not be in the hall of fame, when he is found guilty I'm betting his records will be scrubbed from the books, and he is going to jail.

[Malakriss]

They must have something on him that's a bit more than a urine test. To get him convicted full out the feds need to show that he knew exactly what the trainers were giving him. In this case ignorance is bliss as it's the only thing that could save Bonds' ass

[Burkex]

It's gonna be impossible to prove that he "knowingly" took steroids he is just going to say he thought he was taking flax seed oil.

Plus did you see where the trial is taking place: in San Fran and Barry is loved to death in San Fran. That jury will have at least 6 Bonds fans on it.

[Pharazon]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Yeah, that is what I was saying. He didn't know what he was taking was illegal.. which imo is BS. It's quite the coincedence that Anderson was released today as well. Wonder if he will end up face down in the bay.

Anderson had to be released by law. He was being imprisoned because he refused to give evidence that they believed he had which would help with an indictment. Once they filed the indictment, they had to release him. He didn't talk; he's waited 14 months already for a payday from Bonds.

Somebody high up there really had it in for Bonds. Spending 4 years looking for enough evidence to levy perjury charges (in a relatively harmless matter) is pretty ridiculous. Its not like this will change public opinion at all; pretty much everybody had already taken it for a given that he roided.

I don't see how they can erase the record either way. Steroids still weren't against the rules at the time he used them, and we'll still never know all the players that have used them. MLB is largely to blame, and I'm not sure if they could go back in time that they'd change a thing.

Would they really want erase the McGwire / Sosa home run chase from history?? Nope, who knows how much money that made and continues to make for the game with all the fans it brought back after the strike. Fans talk a lot of shit about Bonds for doing roids, but they obviously don't care that much when it comes to the ticket window. Attendance is higher than ever as fans turn a blind eye to their teams. Any team you look at still probably has guys that are involved with banned substances.

[Heavens_Myst]

Lying to a grand jury is such a fucking bullshit charge. The only way you can get around incriminating yourself is to take the 5th AFAIK (or go to jail for contempt), and that just makes you guilty in the eyes of the public once the Feds leak the testimony. You should be able to say anything the fuck you want to federal investigators/grand juries, perjury should only be able to be held against you at trial when you are under oath since the defendant doesn't have to take the stand.

[Cynno]

Lying to a grand jury is such a fucking bullshit charge. The only way you can get around incriminating yourself is to take the 5th AFAIK (or go to jail for contempt), and that just makes you guilty in the eyes of the public once the Feds leak the testimony. You should be able to say anything the fuck you want to federal investigators/grand juries, perjury should only be able to be held against you at trial when you are under oath since the defendant doesn't have to take the stand.

You're fucking stupid. Pleading the 5th is there for a reason, you don't want to incriminate yourself, plead the fifth. Who gives a fuck if everyone thinks your guilty, you still don't go to fucking jail. Lying under oath needs to have punishment or the court system would be much worse than it already is.


I hope Barry goes away for a long time.

Fuck that asshole.

[Heavens_Myst]

No because they can drag you in to a grand jury that isn't investigating you, and you HAVE to either incriminate yourself or have your reputation stripped from you. If they want to charge someone with a crime they should be required to fucking charge you with a crime, not force you into a grand jury investigating your friend.

Basically what it comes down to, is if the feds want you for something they will either get you or ruin your life in the process.

[EmpireF4i]

If he is found guilty of this, is there any possibility that his records can be stripped from the MLB just like a Olympic athlete can be stripped of their medals?

[Lithose]

Originally Posted by Heavens_Myst

No because they can drag you in to a grand jury that isn't investigating you, and you HAVE to either incriminate yourself or have your reputation stripped from you. If they want to charge someone with a crime they should be required to fucking charge you with a crime, not force you into a grand jury investigating your friend.

Basically what it comes down to, is if the feds want you for something they will either get you or ruin your life in the process.

You do know Grand Jury proceedings are secret, right? No matter what he said it wouldn't be divulged to the public, unless he divulged it himself (as he is the only one allowed by law to do so).

I agree with Cynno on his assertation of your stupidity.

[Astrocreep]

Anyone who thinks Bonds will get convicted is kidding themselves. not only will he have his high priced team of lawyers on his side, MLB will probably help him any way they can. He is an icon to million of ticket purchasing fans. no matter what most of us think he will not be taken down with these weak ass charges. i predict the whole thing gets dropped by next year and Bonds will have to wait a few years before he goes into the Hall. The Rose banning hurt MLB far worse than it hurt Rose.

[Disp]

Originally Posted by EmpireF4i

If he is found guilty of this, is there any possibility that his records can be stripped from the MLB just like a Olympic athlete can be stripped of their medals?

No

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

Anyone who thinks Bonds will get convicted is kidding themselves. not only will he have his high priced team of lawyers on his side, MLB will probably help him any way they can. He is an icon to million of ticket purchasing fans. no matter what most of us think he will not be taken down with these weak ass charges. i predict the whole thing gets dropped by next year and Bonds will have to wait a few years before he goes into the Hall. The Rose banning hurt MLB far worse than it hurt Rose.

Bonds' sterroid case has hurt MLB far more than it has hurt Bonds. The entire sport is now in question and every single player with big offensive numbers will be for the next 20 years. People have gone so far as to question players in the 80's and 70's and even before and rightly so. The entire game has been compromised when you think about it. Really the only bigger "scandal" to happen to MLB was the Black Sox IMO. Only difference is this is not just 1 team involved.

[Astrocreep]

Heh thats what i meant, the MLB will help bonds win his case because a conviction will hurt MLB a lot worse than the impact on Bonds, which is why i brought up Pete Rose. A lot of people thought Rose should have been punished, but a lifetime ban? I may be wrong but wasnt it never proven that Rose bet on Reds games but only on other team's games? The guy got destroyed over placing a bet on a ballgame he had nothing to do with like many people do and he gets the worst possible punishment for it? fuck that shit. i lost interest in baseball for half the 90s becuase of that and only came back cuz it looked like the Yankees were making history so i wanted to watch.

If Bonds goes down you can garun-damn-tee he will be dropping big names on every team in the majors. If this thing doesnt get thrown out right away the trial will overshadow next year's election, so much so they will have to drop it or delay it til 2009.

[Ibliss]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

Anyone who thinks Bonds will get convicted is kidding themselves. not only will he have his high priced team of lawyers on his side, MLB will probably help him any way they can. He is an icon to million of ticket purchasing fans. no matter what most of us think he will not be taken down with these weak ass charges. i predict the whole thing gets dropped by next year and Bonds will have to wait a few years before he goes into the Hall. The Rose banning hurt MLB far worse than it hurt Rose.

Im not sure why people think high priced attorneys are going to do anything for FEDERAL charges. He could resurrect Johnny Cochran and he is still going to do some jail. Sure, he isnt going to do the 30 years max he could get, but he will do some jail.

[Mithrull]

Originally Posted by Dis

Stephen A Smith claims race has to do with the charges.

I really, really dislike that guy. How the fuck did he get that job.

The man just keeping him down. They never wanted to see Hank Aaron's record broken by a black man.

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by Mithrull

The man just keeping him down. They never wanted to see Hank Aaron's record broken by a black man.

Ignorance floweth over.