The MLB off-season/Scott Boras hate thread

[Ham n Cheese]

Originally Posted by Akileese

Dude, he's just not a good fit for the team. He's not a good clubhouse guy (plenty of Yankee insiders and Texas insiders have made this statement endless amount of times), and he doesn't have the right personality to play on this team. Plus, he's not thick skinned enough to deal with the Boston and New York Media.

Hey I said I understand why Boston wouldn't want him. You guys won a World Series (2 actually) without him. He'd be blamed for any post season misfortunes you guys ever had now if he did join the Sox. He'd be a fool to even consider going there imo

[Neferata]

Wow. Boston fans are fucking retarded.

[Akileese]

I'm retarded because I don't want the polar opposite of clubhouse chemistry on my team? I'm retarded because I feel we're going to be the best team in 08 due to returning virtually our entire team?

Look, if you guys hate Boston and their fans, fine. I could give two flying fucks. But don't come roaring in saying we're rimming and we're retarded when we do NOTHING but point out proper facts.

So yes, we don't want A-Rod. Yes he is clubhouse poison and is a terrible chemistry fit for our team and yes we will be the pre-season favorites to win a world series again in 2008. These are the things that happen when you return your starter from a championship team at EVERY position.

Joe Torre is going to be the new manager of the Dodgers. As I figured, Mattingly will join him as a bench coach. This will be interesting now.

[pivot]

Originally Posted by Duppin

I hate to break it to all you who have learned your sports fandom from the verbal blowjobs given to DereK Jeter by ESPN on an hourly basis, but skillsets don't magically change once you get to the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Dontauro

Baseball isn't really my thing but this is so true.

Just because A-Rod hasn't performed in the postseason doesn't mean he isn't able to. Obviously its a team effort, if the pitchers wouldn't have given up any runs then A-Rod wouldn't even have to play a good game.

Sure A-Rod may be a greedy little fuck but he has the talent to play well. Its not an on and off switch. Some nights you perform and some you don't and SOME you get out performed. It happens.

Really just need to hate the yankees as a whole instead of slobbing on A-Rods cock. I hate Tom Brady but I hate the Pats way more.






(Go Colts)

While I agree with you that skills don't magically disappear during the playoffs, you have to agree that the pressure of clutch situations takes a toll on even the greatest players. And for other players, they thrive.

Who would you rather have at bat in the bottom of the ninth inning, bases loaded, down by 2 runs: A-Rod or Bernie Williams?

[Akileese]

Originally Posted by pivot

While I agree with you that skills don't magically disappear during the playoffs, you have to agree that the pressure of clutch situations takes a toll on even the greatest players. And for other players, they thrive.

Who would you rather have at bat in the bottom of the ninth inning, bases loaded, down by 2 runs: A-Rod or Bernie Williams?

That's a very good point too about Bernie (He killed the Red Sox on numerous occasions). Take it a step further too. Some guys just don't play well in big markets. Renteria was awful in Boston, but he's put together a phenomenal career everywhere else. I just didn't think A-Rod could handle the pressure of playing somewhere where all the attention and focus is on him and his team (NY, Boston, etc.). This is why I think the Mets are out of it.

He put up surreal numbers in a contract year (pretty much one of the 3 biggest guarantees in any pro sport) so I don't really think he could put up those kind of numbers year in and year out in NY. I like SF or Anaheim for a fit location wise.

Also, maybe no one will go after him. The game has changed so much since he got his last contract that no one is going to jump at the chance to offer him as much as 30 percent of their fucking payroll. So while this is the most least likely to occur, it's definitely a possibility that has to be thrown out there.

Also, cross the Dodgers off the list now. He still hates Torre for batting him 8th for 2 games.

[Neferata]

Originally Posted by Akileese

I'm retarded because I don't want the polar opposite of clubhouse chemistry on my team? I'm retarded because I feel we're going to be the best team in 08 due to returning virtually our entire team?

Look, if you guys hate Boston and their fans, fine. I could give two flying fucks. But don't come roaring in saying we're rimming and we're retarded when we do NOTHING but point out proper facts.

So yes, we don't want A-Rod. Yes he is clubhouse poison and is a terrible chemistry fit for our team and yes we will be the pre-season favorites to win a world series again in 2008. These are the things that happen when you return your starter from a championship team at EVERY position.

Joe Torre is going to be the new manager of the Dodgers. As I figured, Mattingly will join him as a bench coach. This will be interesting now.

No, you're fucking retarded because comments like these:

Guys on Boston play like a team for the most part (where part of the Yankees problems is that they have too many me first star players and aging veterans who can't perform).

Uh, who the fuck do you think you are? Only Boston fans could think this way about their team. New York finished two games behind Boston this year in the regular season, and just as an FYI, Boston would have lost to Cleveland too if they were playing them in a first round, 5 game series, asshole.

Boston is a slightly better team than New York because they have better pitching. It has jack-shit to do with too many "me first" star players being on the team. Worst case, Manny cancels out A-rod, although I doubt either player has any real negative affect on their team.

Boston is a New York Yankees clone. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Only the retarded fans of Boston think otherwise.

[Lenardo]

that is good one

bottom ninth based loaded a-rod or williams? if it was 5 years ago...williams.
he got the clutch hits, except for the beginning of the year this season, A-rod i believe has just been ok for clutch hitting.

proper question is-for a red sox fan...who would you rather have up down by 2 bottom of 9th, bases loaded...

Lowell or A-Rod...

[Akileese]

Originally Posted by Neferata

No, you're fucking retarded because comments like these:



Uh, who the fuck do you think you are? Only Boston fans could think this way about their team. New York finished two games behind Boston this year in the regular season, and just as an FYI, Boston would have lost to Cleveland too if they were playing them in a first round, 5 game series, asshole.

Boston is a slightly better team than New York because they have better pitching. It has jack-shit to do with too many "me first" star players being on the team. Worst case, Manny cancels out A-rod, although I doubt either player has any real negative affect on their team.

Boston is a New York Yankees clone. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Only the retarded fans of Boston think otherwise.

So, because the Yankees were two back, they don't have overrated star players vying for absolute power of the team? Get the cock out of your mouth. That doesn't even make sense.

I really didn't want to have to write a fucking paragraph writing why the Yankees haven't had a team oriented mentality, but I guess SOMEONE is too fucking stupid to get it.

Boston has always had a more team oriented mentality under Francona going back to the "idiots" of 04. They were weird and quirky and you always got the idea that they liked each other. You could totally see a bunch of those guys hanging out after a game or something. Schilling may have been one of the more individualistic players on team to the public eye, but he acted as a mentor to guys like Jon Lester, Papelbon, Beckett, etc. That's why one of his desires for a contract (if he doesn't go back to Boston) is to go to a team where they have a lot of talented young pitchers. The guys on the team like him for that reason. No matter if you think he's a douchebag or an idiot, he's a great teammate. Manny is easily the biggest individual on the team. He disappears for months at a time, barely shows up to spring training and I can't defend the way he acts. He's so hilarious and weird that people love him I guess (teammates included).

The Yankees are more like a corporation than anything. They all have the same stoic serious looks on their faces and they seem very individualistic. I think a lot of it has to do with how the team is run (much like a company with a work force rather than a bonded team of players). You really can't deny this at all. The Yankees teams from the mid 90s are gone. They've got a lot of young talent now so it will be interesting to see how all these young guys mixed with the departure of Rodriguez (he interrupted the fucking World Series to make his announcement. If that's not one of the most selfish moves ever pulled, please inform me of another one) will work to create a better team chemistry. I think chemistry accounts for a lot and they'll be much better off as a team without him. Not having that huge bat will hurt, but I think they'll be okay in the end. If you don't believe A-Rod effected that team's chemistry, go talk to every fucking NY beat writer out there. They'll promptly slap the holy shit out of you.

[Neferata]

So, because the Yankees were two back, they don't have overrated star players vying for absolute power of the team? Get the cock out of your mouth. That doesn't even make sense.

Do you even read what you write? What the fuck is this supposed to even mean? "absolute power of the team"? What power? What are you even talking about? You're just spitting out random cliche's here.

This, I can agree with or at least ignore:

Boston has always had a more team oriented mentality under Francona going back to the "idiots" of 04. They were weird and quirky and you always got the idea that they liked each other. You could totally see a bunch of those guys hanging out after a game or something. Schilling may have been one of the more individualistic players on team to the public eye, but he acted as a mentor to guys like Jon Lester, Papelbon, Beckett, etc. That's why one of his desires for a contract (if he doesn't go back to Boston) is to go to a team where they have a lot of talented young pitchers. The guys on the team like him for that reason. No matter if you think he's a douchebag or an idiot, he's a great teammate. Manny is easily the biggest individual on the team. He disappears for months at a time, barely shows up to spring training and I can't defend the way he acts. He's so hilarious and weird that people love him I guess (teammates included).

This, on the other hand, is just stuff you're assuming and/or pulling out of your ass because you're a Redsox fan and thus hate the Yankees:

The Yankees are more like a corporation than anything. They all have the same stoic serious looks on their faces and they seem very individualistic. I think a lot of it has to do with how the team is run (much like a company with a work force rather than a bonded team of players). You really can't deny this at all. The Yankees teams from the mid 90s are gone. They've got a lot of young talent now so it will be interesting to see how all these young guys mixed with the departure of Rodriguez (he interrupted the fucking World Series to make his announcement. If that's not one of the most selfish moves ever pulled, please inform me of another one) will work to create a better team chemistry. I think chemistry accounts for a lot and they'll be much better off as a team without him. Not having that huge bat will hurt, but I think they'll be okay in the end. If you don't believe A-Rod effected that team's chemistry, go talk to every fucking NY beat writer out there. They'll promptly slap the holy shit out of you.

The Yankees were, and still are just as much of a "team" as the Redsox. There is absolutely zero reason to think otherwise. A-rod is a douchebag, so is Manny. Period. Redsox fans have zero right to claim their team is full of selfless team players like say the Rockies, or Indians, while simultaneously claiming the Yankees aren't. Your payroll is outrageous(meaning the guys play there for the money, not because they're all best buddies), just like NY's, and don't try to pretend differently.

The Redsox are the Yankees with slightly better pitching. They had nearly identical records in the regular season, and they both basically lost in a 5 game series to the Indians. You have zero reason to believe the Yankees are a team of me first players, and that this somehow hurt the team.

[Twobit Whore]

But but '"if we lose, who cares it's not the end of the world" is just quirky ol' Manny being his funny self!

[pivot]

Originally Posted by Neferata

Do you even read what you write? What the fuck is this supposed to even mean? "absolute power of the team"? What power? What are you even talking about? You're just spitting out random cliche's here.

This, I can agree with or at least ignore:



This, on the other hand, is just stuff you're assuming and/or pulling out of your ass because you're a Redsox fan and thus hate the Yankees:



The Yankees were, and still are just as much of a "team" as the Redsox. There is absolutely zero reason to think otherwise. A-rod is a douchebag, so is Manny. Period. Redsox fans have zero right to claim their team is full of selfless team players like say the Rockies, or Indians, while simultaneously claiming the Yankees aren't. Your payroll is outrageous(meaning the guys play there for the money, not because they're all best buddies), just like NY's, and don't try to pretend differently.

The Redsox are the Yankees with slightly better pitching. They had nearly identical records in the regular season, and they both basically lost in a 5 game series to the Indians. You have zero reason to believe the Yankees are a team of me first players outside of A-rod.

He has insidez inforz. Adurr.

[Burkex]

I bet A-Rod ends up going to the Dodgers, Angels, or Indians.

[Disp]

Didn't see it anywhere on the board, but Schilling files for free agency...
ESPN - Schilling writes goodbye letters to Red Sox mates - MLB

[Akileese]

Originally Posted by Disp

Didn't see it anywhere on the board, but Schilling files for free agency...
ESPN - Schilling writes goodbye letters to Red Sox mates - MLB

Yeah, I'm wondering whether he had some private speech with Theo and Theo said they wouldn't resign him. Fair enough, if he goes I'll be sad, but I won't lose sleep over it.

he's a probably a HOF pitcher based on his post-season credentials alone and I see him going back to Philly for one or two years.

[Duppin]

Originally Posted by pivot

While I agree with you that skills don't magically disappear during the playoffs, you have to agree that the pressure of clutch situations takes a toll on even the greatest players. And for other players, they thrive.

Who would you rather have at bat in the bottom of the ninth inning, bases loaded, down by 2 runs: A-Rod or Bernie Williams?

I will take A-Rod in his prime over Bernie Williams in his prime, regardless of what the situation is. A-Rod, if he stays healthy, will likely retire as one of the greatest offensive players in the history of the game, if not THE greatest.

Being a "clutch hitter" is not a repeatable skill.

Anyone who believes to the contrary needs to be forced to sit in a dark room and say the words "sample size" out loud over and over again until they get the concept.

Originally Posted by Burkex

I bet A-Rod ends up going to the Dodgers, Angels, or Indians.

Arte Moreno has said, repeatedly, that he isn't interested in paying a single player what A-Rod is going to command as a free agent. I would be very surprised if he goes back on that.

My bet is on either the Dodgers, or possibly the Giants.