Appalachian State, defeats Michigan...WTF is going on!? - Page 4

cdyhybrid · 09-06-2007, 02:34 PM

This is why you should never play 1-AA teams. It's a no-win situation - if you schedule them and win, it hurts your schedule and prestige when you could get the same results playing a bottom-rung 1-A team. If you lose, you get what Michigan got. Don't schedule 1-AA teams = you never lose to one, and you get to boast that you never played one.

Jadaki · 09-07-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cdyhybrid

This is why you should never play 1-AA teams. It's a no-win situation - if you schedule them and win, it hurts your schedule and prestige when you could get the same results playing a bottom-rung 1-A team. If you lose, you get what Michigan got. Don't schedule 1-AA teams = you never lose to one, and you get to boast that you never played one.

So true.

Mario Speedwagon · 09-08-2007, 02:07 PM

Michigan currently getting their asses stomped by Oregon 32-7. God I love it.

Lyrical · 09-08-2007, 03:01 PM

I feel bad for Michigan, but not too bad (being an alum of Penn State and University of Texas). There will be much rioting on the Michigan campus tonight.

Jait · 09-08-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cdyhybrid

This is why you should never play 1-AA teams. It's a no-win situation - if you schedule them and win, it hurts your schedule and prestige when you could get the same results playing a bottom-rung 1-A team. If you lose, you get what Michigan got. Don't schedule 1-AA teams = you never lose to one, and you get to boast that you never played one.

Heh. No.

If you played college ball or even attended a major college you would know that no one ever talks about week 1-5. All they talk about is winning the conference. You can only lose 1 game in an entire season, but if that game costs you the conference no one gives a shit how good you were. All they talk about is losing the conference for the next 9 months. And one of the easiest ways to do that is by not taking it easy. The last thing you want is exhausted players, or god forbid injuries before the games even begin to matter.

Your advice is insanely retarded. It's like saying before fighting for the WBC championship you should warm up by fighting Mike Tyson. Sure, he's old and unranked, but people will respect you!!

It just doesn't work that way at all. It's not like teams are losing left and right to the subdivisions. In fact, that's the reason it was major news, because it's rarely ever happened.

Twobit Whore · 09-08-2007, 04:49 PM

I don't see the point in playing down a division simply because you gain nothing from it. You could do just as well against the practice squad if you need some 'warm up'. Sure people say it's all about the conference but in the age of the BCS, coaches at big schools are under immense pressure to reach at least a BCS bowl if not the title game. Losing to App. State ruins any BCS contention you may have and beating them gives you no schedule strength either.

If Michigan won 34-32 and the number 6 team beat an average D1 school handily, that #6 team should move ahead of them based on that one game.

The Ancient · 09-09-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

I don't see the point in playing down a division simply because you gain nothing from it. You could do just as well against the practice squad if you need some 'warm up'. Sure people say it's all about the conference but in the age of the BCS, coaches at big schools are under immense pressure to reach at least a BCS bowl if not the title game. Losing to App. State ruins any BCS contention you may have and beating them gives you no schedule strength either.

If Michigan won 34-32 and the number 6 team beat an average D1 school handily, that #6 team should move ahead of them based on that one game.

You gain an easy win on your schedule. Losing to a 1AA team will ruin your season, but let's face it, if you suck enough to lose to them you weren't going to a BCS bowl anyway. The smart teams schedule all easy games outside their conference and then they look good at the end of the year because they are undefeated! *cough* Big East *cough*

Twobit Whore · 09-09-2007, 10:59 AM

Easy wins don't give you any poll power and even less computer power.

A close win over a decent team is much better than rolling over a creampuff.

It's really lose-lose. You lose the game, your season is over.. and even if you win you miss a chance to gain status and rankings by beating at least an average decent team.

The Ancient · 09-09-2007, 11:02 AM

Close wins are almost close losses. You schedule nothign but close games all year long and you'll lose one and drop in the polls, whereas a team that plays a few tough games and fluff games the rest of the season has better odds. Because a good team doesn't have to worry about losing those fluff games.

Michigan sucks this year, they didn't ruin their season by scheduling App State.

cdyhybrid · 09-09-2007, 12:02 PM

Yes, but they ruined it by LOSING to App. State, something that would not have happened if they didn't schedule them. Now, their season was probably ruined prior (because they suck, see Oregon) but without this information, my point stands. If they schedule Vanderbilt or Duke or some Sun Belt team, who are probably a lot worse than App. State, they get an easy win (again, assuming they don't suck as much as they apparently do) that doesn't hurt strength of schedule as much. I'm still amused that they ducked Hawaii to play App. State, though

Ishad · 09-10-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Ancient

Michigan sucks this year, they didn't ruin their season by scheduling App State.

Yes they did ruined their season, now they seem to be working on ruining their program's recruiting potential.

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Originally Posted by cdyhybrid

. If they schedule Vanderbilt or Duke or some Sun Belt team, who are probably a lot worse than App. State, they get an easy win (again, assuming they don't suck as much as they apparently do) that doesn't hurt strength of schedule as much.

Hey fuck you

, but Vandy is probably worse than App State.

The Ancient · 09-10-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishad

Yes they did ruined their season

No you don't get what I'm saying. Their season wasn't ruined when they scheduled the App State game, it was when they became a team poor enough to lose to App St that their season was ruined. And they wouldn't have had a BCS season this year with or without the App State on their schedule.

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If they schedule Vanderbilt or Duke or some Sun Belt team, who are probably a lot worse than App. State, they get an easy win (again, assuming they don't suck as much as they apparently do) that doesn't hurt strength of schedule as much.

You are probably right that App State is better than Duke, but that's a minor distinction. If Michigan loses to Duke they are in just as bad shape as the App State loss and it's not like having a win against Duke counts for more than a win against a 1AA team. They are all in such a low tier that victory is simply expected for a top 25 team and rightfully so. Saying they should schedule one but not the other simply doesn't make sense to me.

cdyhybrid · 09-10-2007, 02:41 PM

You're right in that it doesn't make a huge difference in perception, but if it comes down to percentage points in the BCS (again, moot point now because Michigan is done) you want anything you can get. If Michigan ran the table with their (relatively) weak schedule, and came up against a top-5 LSU that only lost one game to another top-5 SEC team, that App. State "win" might hurt more than you would think.

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09-06-2007, 02:34 PM	#46 (permalink)
cdyhybrid Go Dawgs! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oahu/Seattle Posts: 542 +0 Internets	This is why you should never play 1-AA teams. It's a no-win situation - if you schedule them and win, it hurts your schedule and prestige when you could get the same results playing a bottom-rung 1-A team. If you lose, you get what Michigan got. Don't schedule 1-AA teams = you never lose to one, and you get to boast that you never played one.

09-08-2007, 02:07 PM	#48 (permalink)
Mario Speedwagon Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: 3rd Place Posts: 1,016 +0 Internets	Michigan currently getting their asses stomped by Oregon 32-7. God I love it.

09-08-2007, 04:49 PM	#51 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,820 -26 Internets	I don't see the point in playing down a division simply because you gain nothing from it. You could do just as well against the practice squad if you need some 'warm up'. Sure people say it's all about the conference but in the age of the BCS, coaches at big schools are under immense pressure to reach at least a BCS bowl if not the title game. Losing to App. State ruins any BCS contention you may have and beating them gives you no schedule strength either. If Michigan won 34-32 and the number 6 team beat an average D1 school handily, that #6 team should move ahead of them based on that one game.

09-09-2007, 10:59 AM	#53 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,820 -26 Internets	Easy wins don't give you any poll power and even less computer power. A close win over a decent team is much better than rolling over a creampuff. It's really lose-lose. You lose the game, your season is over.. and even if you win you miss a chance to gain status and rankings by beating at least an average decent team.

09-09-2007, 11:02 AM	#54 (permalink)
The Ancient Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,173 +9 Internets	Close wins are almost close losses. You schedule nothign but close games all year long and you'll lose one and drop in the polls, whereas a team that plays a few tough games and fluff games the rest of the season has better odds. Because a good team doesn't have to worry about losing those fluff games. Michigan sucks this year, they didn't ruin their season by scheduling App State.

09-09-2007, 12:02 PM	#55 (permalink)
cdyhybrid Go Dawgs! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oahu/Seattle Posts: 542 +0 Internets	Yes, but they ruined it by LOSING to App. State, something that would not have happened if they didn't schedule them. Now, their season was probably ruined prior (because they suck, see Oregon) but without this information, my point stands. If they schedule Vanderbilt or Duke or some Sun Belt team, who are probably a lot worse than App. State, they get an easy win (again, assuming they don't suck as much as they apparently do) that doesn't hurt strength of schedule as much. I'm still amused that they ducked Hawaii to play App. State, though

09-10-2007, 02:41 PM	#58 (permalink)
cdyhybrid Go Dawgs! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oahu/Seattle Posts: 542 +0 Internets	You're right in that it doesn't make a huge difference in perception, but if it comes down to percentage points in the BCS (again, moot point now because Michigan is done) you want anything you can get. If Michigan ran the table with their (relatively) weak schedule, and came up against a top-5 LSU that only lost one game to another top-5 SEC team, that App. State "win" might hurt more than you would think.