[NFL] 2007 Season

[Draegan]

You can go back and forth on that one. It comes down to personal choice. You can make an argument for both.

Originally Posted by Burkex

I maybe be a biased Pats fan

You certainly are. Nice drunken homer rant though.

[Lenardo]

RIGHT NOW,

there are 3 tiers of QB's/receivers in the league

tier 1 has 2 and only 2 - currently- it will change

manning/harrison & co for colts and
brady/moss & co for patriots

tier2 has
romo/owens and ~6 other qb/receiver combos..

tier3 has the rest of the league


without their Receiver's the QB while good, doesn't elevate their game to the pure elite of the league.

for the past 4ish years it's been manning/brady as the #1 and 2 qb's in the league. with most having P.Manning higher than Brady-due to his receiving corps.

This year, for the first time-ever- Brady has a true "stud" receiver corps atleast as good if not better than Mannings: moss welker watson(TE) stallworth Gaffney....

Brady was "elite" with Average/slightly above average Receivers...well so far the numbers speak for themselves as to how great he is with a great receiving crew..... right NOW Brady is league MVP...will he get it? who knows but if his numbers stay where they are now, he will get it this year.

[Ham n Cheese]

rofl @ the dude freaking out at Brady being #2 to Manning. They go back and forth

Originally Posted by Sharmai

The colts barely beat the texans. Regardless of the fact its a win I am still ashamed.

Ashamed I say. How anyone sees us in our current form as a matchup or a threat to NE is beyond me. We are a joke right now. Unless we are playing some sort of "play under the radar and surprise everyone" type football guise then we are on track for an absoulte beatdown. The worst part is it doesn't matter if we are winning or losing by the time we play the pats since every network is going to hype the hell out of that game on principal alone. It's widely considered that game is the true teller for super bowl champions anyway.

Sigh.. a beatdown I tell you. Like a red-headed step child but with blue/white hair. I am fully embarrased.

barely beat the texas.. sigh....

They lost to the Texans last year before winning the super bowl, relax.

[Regime]

Jesus Christ no shit and the Texans are pretty good this year man.

[Urlithani]

Seriously HOW THE FUCK can you rate Manning OVER Brady? I maybe be a biased Pats fan but NFL commentators say that Brady is the 3rd or 4th best QB of all time behind Montana and Elway. I think Manning is 7th or 8th on that list.

Well calm down there. It's a little too early to say. I think the only thing that could seperate them is longevity, which means we'll have to wait until they retire.

Also, NFL commentators and former QB's have also said Peyton is the best QB they've seen play. Ever. Of course, commentators do tend to go crazy. I've heard the same commentators kiss the ass of whichever team they're covering and don't think about what they said the week before.

I wouldn't call more rings a good indicator that Brady is better. NE has had a top 10 defense(or nearly so) every year since 2000, I believe. That's like saying Terry Bradshaw is better than Dan Marino because the ring ratio is 5 to 0.

[Brogarn]

Other than finding Peyton more fun to watch, I'd rank Brady and Peyton pretty much equally. Equal but different.

[Twobit Whore]

Manning is going to hold every record associated with the position as long as his career doesn't end prematurely. He will also get another ring or 4 before all is said and done.

As of right now I would call them pretty equal. It can shift from week to week.. when all is said and done however, Manning should clearly be a rank above.

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by Burkex

Rampant Fanboyism

There is a reason I ignore 99% of what you say.

Originally Posted by Draegan

What team do you root for by the way. If I had to guess, I'd say a Steeler fan.

If you can't figure it out from reading this thread, you really are stupid enough to think Eli is a good QB.


(HINT: It's not an AFC team)

[Brogarn]

Originally Posted by Sunder

If you can't figure it out from reading this thread, you really are stupid enough to think Eli is a good QB.

Using my psychic abilities I'm seeing... hmm... appears to be a star...

And stop being mean to my QB! He's just... just... misunderstood! And inconsistent. And not his brother.

SHUT UP!

/weep

Honestly, though, I'd rank him in the middle. If anything, at least one step above Grossman. You gotta give me that! Please?

[Draegan]

Originally Posted by Sunder

There is a reason I ignore 99% of what you say.



If you can't figure it out from reading this thread, you really are stupid enough to think Eli is a good QB.


(HINT: It's not an AFC team)

I really havn't read the whole thread. Just read the last page or two. But you must be dumb to think Alex Smith and JP Losman are good QBs.

[Sunder]

Please, son. Your QB credibility was shot the second you said Eli was a good QB. Now take your ass-kicking like a good little boy and go back to MMO General where you belong.

[Draegan]

Boy you're a fucking tool. I never said Eli was an amazing QB. I said he was in the middle of the pack. Good meaning above average, so please get over yourself.

It's your opinion. But I don't know why you hate Eli so much. You can say a QB sucks, and thats fine, but the hatred oozing from your e-thugging is very heavy. You must be a Cowboy fan or an Eagle fan? I havn't read this thread from the beginning but I'm pretty sure your rampant drivel is littered all over it, and I havn't the time to sift through it.

[budrick]

The Bears need to toss Grossman away like a used rag.
He's way too inconsistent to be a starter.

I would say the Bears got to the Superbowl last year "in spite" of Grossman and not because of him.

The Bears are reeling a bit with injuries, both offensively and defensively, and this is where a quality QB could pick up his game and make the needed plays.

Grossman can't do it.

Griese should be given a chance.

[Ham n Cheese]

I think Eli has moments of showing he deserves to have that last name. The weapons around him are not good though. Plaxico and Shockey drop a ton of passes and I feel like his play calling given to him is really bad. I feel like he's like David Carr on the Giants, has the tools, lacks weapons and good coaching. They coaches obviously don't trust him when 90% of his passes seem to be 2 yard dumps, then long plays like yesterday where they air it out to Burress he drops it right in his hands. I don't think his credibility should be gone because he called Eli good, he's improved a ton I think.

And just my 2cp of how I would rank QBs (At the moment-- not over time or I'd have to go Favre and not going just off 3 weeks of the season or Bulger and Brees would be at the bottom and we know they aren't that bad).

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Carson Palmer
Drew Brees
Marc Bulger
Brett Favre
Tony Romo
Donovan McNabb
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Hasselbeck
Vince Young (maybe not from a pure passer standpoint, but he has nothing around him and wins)
Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Chad Pennington
Jon Kitna
Steve McNair
Matt Leinart
Eli Manning
Matt Schaub (gotta do more than start 3 games to get credit imo)
Trent Green
J.P. Losman
Jason Campbell
Josh McCown
Damon Huard
David Garrard
Joey Harrington
Derek Anderson
Rex Grossman
Tarvaris Jackson

Really after Manning / Brady / Palmer it changes from week to week. Bulger has moments where he looks like a top 5 QB. Delhomme, Roflberger and McNabb have similar things happen to them, where they look legit then they follow it up with a 100 yard passing game.

[Draegan]

I havn't had a chance to watch any SF games closely, but why do you have him ranked so high? In three weeks he's thrown for a 51% completion percentage, 1 TD, 1 INT 460 yards in 83 pass attempts. To me this screams awful. However was he much better at the end of last year to warrant that ranking?