[NFL] 2007 Season - Page 51

Jadaki · 09-24-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lenardo

vs cinci
vs dallas
vs Colts

they win those three games..their chances of going 19-0 increase significantly..

I don't see them winning all three of those games, if I am not mistaken they are all on the road too.

They will probably beat Cinci in a huge shootout. Dallas I already commented on, and the Colts are never going to be easy to beat at home.

Sharmai · 09-24-2007, 08:03 AM

The colts barely beat the texans. Regardless of the fact its a win I am still ashamed.

Ashamed I say. How anyone sees us in our current form as a matchup or a threat to NE is beyond me. We are a joke right now. Unless we are playing some sort of "play under the radar and surprise everyone" type football guise then we are on track for an absoulte beatdown. The worst part is it doesn't matter if we are winning or losing by the time we play the pats since every network is going to hype the hell out of that game on principal alone. It's widely considered that game is the true teller for super bowl champions anyway.

Sigh.. a beatdown I tell you. Like a red-headed step child but with blue/white hair. I am fully embarrased.

barely beat the texas.. sigh....

Draegan · 09-24-2007, 08:06 AM

So much hate for Eli Manning. I may be a Giants Fan, but he isn't worthless nor does he suck. He's a good quarterback. Top5? No. Top10? On a good day. Top15? Yes. He's in the middle of the pack.

You hate him that much about not going to San Deigo? Damn. Get over it, that was 4 years ago. Elway did the same damn thing. Do you hate him as well?

Rank the top 32 QBs and Eli will come up around the middle.

Twobit Whore · 09-24-2007, 08:11 AM

I can't think of more than 5 or 6 teams that Eli could start for. Which is 3 or 4 more than Grossman could start for.

Moontayle · 09-24-2007, 08:12 AM

Giants have more problems than just Eli.

Sunder · 09-24-2007, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Rank the top 32 QBs and Eli will come up around the middle.

Note: These assume 100% healthy

Payton Manning
Tom Brady
Carson Palmer
Brett Favre
Drew Brees
Donovan McNabb
Marc Bulger
Tony Romo
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Hasselbeck
Jon Kitna
Jeff Garcia
J.P. Lossman
Alex Smith
Chad Pennington
Jay Cutler
Matt Leinart
Vince Young
Jake Delhomme
Steve McNair
Matt Shaub
Eli Manning
Trent Green
Jason Campbell
Damon Huard
David Garrard
Derek Anderson
Rex Grossman
Tarvaris Jackson
Joey Harrington
{insert Oakland QB here}

cdyhybrid · 09-24-2007, 08:55 AM

Great win by the Seahawks, especially after they fucked it up last week. I wouldn't be ashamed of a close win over the Texans in Houston, they are really improved this year.

P.S. Marc Bulger over Matt Hasselbeck? lawl

Draegan · 09-24-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

I can't think of more than 5 or 6 teams that Eli could start for. Which is 3 or 4 more than Grossman could start for.

I'll list starting QBs Eli is better (In no particular order):
Alex Smith
Matt Leinart
Rex Grossman
Tavaris Jackson/Kelly Holcomb
Jason Cambell
Joey Harrington
Chad Pennington
JP Losman
Derek Anderson
Kyle Boller (and Steve McNair of 2007)
Jay Cutler (Has great upside, but he's not there yet.)
Josh McCown
Damon Huard
David Garrard

The following QBs are just as good if not just a little better/little worse than Eli.

Matt Shaub
Big Ben
Phillip Rivers
Jeff Garcia
Jon Kitna
Tony Romo
Jake Delhomme

I would say Tony Romo is better and Jake Delhomme (though he was down right awful last year), Kitna and Garcia is a little worse and Ben and Phillip are just about the same. I have to see more than 3 games from Matt Shaub to really say better or worse. You can rank them differently each week. If Tony Romo continues to play like he is, he'll move to the next catagory. I'd really like to see Tony Romo play from behind. He has a great TE and WR along with a great O-Line.

QBs better than Eli:
Matt Hasslebeck
Marc Bulger
Brett Favre
Donavan McNabb
Drew Brees (What's going on with him right now?)
Carson Palmer
Tom Brady
Trent Green
P.Manning

I don't know where to put Vince Young. As a pure QB Eli is better. Though V.Young is a superior athlete.

Twobit Whore · 09-24-2007, 08:56 AM

I'd put Harrington over Grossman. And McCown probably too.

Draegan · 09-24-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunder

QB Rank...

Are those fantasy Rankings?

You have Alex Smith who's thrown only one TD pass so far this year. Ranked too high. You have J.P. Lossman ranked way too high.

Faltigoth · 09-24-2007, 09:16 AM

I'm an Eagles fan, and yeah, my heart was warmed by the dismantling they gave Detroit (even though their uniforms looked suspiciously like someone sprayed them with a good Mad Dog 20-20 vomit), and all things Dallas Cowboys generally make me curse like a sailor and question the parentage of their various players, but watching Tony Romo last night, I thought to myself, 'holy shit, that cat is the real deal'.

Romo looked like a god last night for a huge part of that game - he made the Bears D look like a pack of assholes. The way he was ducking the rush, making Bears miss, making plays on 3rd and long and shit, man. Like Peter King said in today's MMQB, Jerry Jones better pay that man and pay him well. Marion Barber III, same thing, dude can run. T.O? I wish he would die in a fire but until he does, good grief, he is a tremendous player. All those catches across the middle, burning people left and right, its like it wasn't even fair.

That's a scary fucking team this year, those Cowboys. Unless they get hit with a few major injuries or Romo completely melts down (again), I can see them taking the NFC East easily and then marching deep into the playoffs.

Sunder · 09-24-2007, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draegan

Are those fantasy Rankings?

You have Alex Smith who's thrown only one TD pass so far this year. Ranked too high. You have J.P. Lossman ranked way too high.

Fuck Fantasy Football. Alex Smith is a quality QB on a good team. J.P. is a quality QB on a shitty team. They are ranked by how good the person playing the position is. Not how many stats they can put up or how good the people around them are.

Quote:

The following QBs are just as good if not just a little better/little worse than Eli.

Matt Shaub
Big Ben
Phillip Rivers
Jeff Garcia
Jon Kitna
Tony Romo
Jake Delhomme

Eli couldn't hold any of those guy's jock strap.

lendarios · 09-24-2007, 10:06 AM

For those of you who are underrating the Cowboys, you need to remember that last year they were just one botched filed goal attempt from beating the team that eventually went to the superbowl.

Draegan · 09-24-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunder

Fuck Fantasy Football. Alex Smith is a quality QB on a good team. J.P. is a quality QB on a shitty team. They are ranked by how good the person playing the position is. Not how many stats they can put up or how good the people around them are.

Eli couldn't hold any of those guy's jock strap.

I bet you hate the Yankees too for no other reason than "Just Because". Also, fuck fantasy football? I don't get that comment either. Why are you so angry, why do you hate Eli Manning so much?

Ben R. isn't that great of a QB, at least not yet. He's having a pretty good season, but lets see him play against a good defense. Don't bring up that SuperBowl bullshit either. He had the worse performance for a QB in league history.

What team do you root for by the way. If I had to guess, I'd say a Steeler fan.

Burkex · 09-24-2007, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunder

Note: These assume 100% healthy

Payton Manning
Tom Brady
Carson Palmer
Brett Favre
Drew Brees
Donovan McNabb
Marc Bulger
Tony Romo
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Hasselbeck
Jon Kitna
Jeff Garcia
J.P. Lossman
Alex Smith
Chad Pennington
Jay Cutler
Matt Leinart
Vince Young
Jake Delhomme
Steve McNair
Matt Shaub
Eli Manning
Trent Green
Jason Campbell
Damon Huard
David Garrard
Derek Anderson
Rex Grossman
Tarvaris Jackson
Joey Harrington
{insert Oakland QB here}

Seriously HOW THE FUCK can you rate Manning OVER Brady? I maybe be a biased Pats fan but NFL commentators say that Brady is the 3rd or 4th best QB of all time behind Montana and Elway. I think Manning is 7th or 8th on that list. Brady has 3 Super Bowl rings. He has driven his team down the field in under 2 minutes at the end of Super Bowls to win games. He is a leader and is cool under pressure. I will take Brady over any other QB currently in the NFL any day. The only reason Manning won 1 Super Bowl is because Brady had absolutely shit receivers last year, if Brady had Deion Branch last year they would have won the Super Bowl. And big whoop, Manning won 1 Super Bowl ring vs the Bears and REX GROSSMAN, talk to me when he atleast has 2 rings. Any chump can get lucky and win 1. Also, look what Brady is doing now (In his first 3 games) when he finally has some good receivers. Manning has had Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrinson 2 of the top 10 receivers in the league, Brady had Rasheed Caldwell and an old Troy brown. I am not saying that Manning sucks, he is great and the 2nd best QB in the NFL but he is not better than Brady.

The only thing Manning beats Brady at is selling out and doing 10,000 commercials per year.

09-24-2007, 08:12 AM	#755 (permalink)
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09-24-2007, 08:03 AM	#752 (permalink)
Sharmai "Change doesn't come from Washington, it comes to Washington." - Guess who Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,603	The colts barely beat the texans. Regardless of the fact its a win I am still ashamed. Ashamed I say. How anyone sees us in our current form as a matchup or a threat to NE is beyond me. We are a joke right now. Unless we are playing some sort of "play under the radar and surprise everyone" type football guise then we are on track for an absoulte beatdown. The worst part is it doesn't matter if we are winning or losing by the time we play the pats since every network is going to hype the hell out of that game on principal alone. It's widely considered that game is the true teller for super bowl champions anyway. Sigh.. a beatdown I tell you. Like a red-headed step child but with blue/white hair. I am fully embarrased. barely beat the texas.. sigh....

09-24-2007, 08:06 AM	#753 (permalink)
Draegan Don't Look Now Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,675 -25 Internets	So much hate for Eli Manning. I may be a Giants Fan, but he isn't worthless nor does he suck. He's a good quarterback. Top5? No. Top10? On a good day. Top15? Yes. He's in the middle of the pack. You hate him that much about not going to San Deigo? Damn. Get over it, that was 4 years ago. Elway did the same damn thing. Do you hate him as well? Rank the top 32 QBs and Eli will come up around the middle.

09-24-2007, 08:11 AM	#754 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,045 -23 Internets	I can't think of more than 5 or 6 teams that Eli could start for. Which is 3 or 4 more than Grossman could start for.

09-24-2007, 08:55 AM	#757 (permalink)
cdyhybrid Go Dawgs! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oahu/Seattle Posts: 586 +1 Internets	Great win by the Seahawks, especially after they fucked it up last week. I wouldn't be ashamed of a close win over the Texans in Houston, they are really improved this year. P.S. Marc Bulger over Matt Hasselbeck? lawl

09-24-2007, 08:56 AM	#759 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,045 -23 Internets	I'd put Harrington over Grossman. And McCown probably too.

09-24-2007, 09:16 AM	#761 (permalink)
Faltigoth Army Football forever!! Who needs wins, anyway?!? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 781 +0 Internets	I'm an Eagles fan, and yeah, my heart was warmed by the dismantling they gave Detroit (even though their uniforms looked suspiciously like someone sprayed them with a good Mad Dog 20-20 vomit), and all things Dallas Cowboys generally make me curse like a sailor and question the parentage of their various players, but watching Tony Romo last night, I thought to myself, 'holy shit, that cat is the real deal'. Romo looked like a god last night for a huge part of that game - he made the Bears D look like a pack of assholes. The way he was ducking the rush, making Bears miss, making plays on 3rd and long and shit, man. Like Peter King said in today's MMQB, Jerry Jones better pay that man and pay him well. Marion Barber III, same thing, dude can run. T.O? I wish he would die in a fire but until he does, good grief, he is a tremendous player. All those catches across the middle, burning people left and right, its like it wasn't even fair. That's a scary fucking team this year, those Cowboys. Unless they get hit with a few major injuries or Romo completely melts down (again), I can see them taking the NFC East easily and then marching deep into the playoffs.

09-24-2007, 10:06 AM	#763 (permalink)
lendarios weeeeee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Miami, Fl. Posts: 745	For those of you who are underrating the Cowboys, you need to remember that last year they were just one botched filed goal attempt from beating the team that eventually went to the superbowl.