[NBA] Ref fixed Games - Page 5

darksensei · 07-23-2007, 02:08 PM

There is some confusion to who to believe the NYT, or elsewhere.

For example check out S.I.'s truth and rumor page:
FanNation | Truth&Rumors | NBA

First article is NBA let ref work under suspicion, while the second is NBA had no knowledge. But they talk about two different things. The NBA was unaware until recently about the FBI's investigation. The NBA was aware that Tim Donaghy was suspicious and hired their own private investigator over a year ago.

All this tells me is that the NBA doesn't even have this excuse anymore: we knew he was suspicious but the FBI didn't have a solid case and asked us not to compromise their investigation.

Edit for clarification: The Denver Post isn't the only place reporting that the NBA new, including other New York papers.

Twobit Whore · 07-23-2007, 02:15 PM

Gee, an anonymous tip says the NBA didn't have any idea he was crooked? SHOCKER!

Dis · 07-23-2007, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Gee, an anonymous tip says the NBA didn't have any idea he was crooked? SHOCKER!

As much as I dislike David Stern, him being a former lawyer, and obsessed with the image of the NBA as a marketable product with international potential. I have a real hard time believing that he would have allowed this ref to continue to work games, let alone a playoff game had he known about it beforehand.

Say what you want about Stern, but he is a very by the book kind of guy.

Dark: NYT and AP are reporting that an anon source said the NBA found out after the finals about the ref. A lot of papers pick up the AP, so I would tend to believe that they will recycle what the AP is reporting. Having said that, just because the papers are reporting it, doesnt make it true one way or the other. My thoughts/opinion read above.

Dis · 07-23-2007, 04:03 PM

Listened to a Brandon Lang interview on the radio. This guy has an immense knowledge of sports and gmabling in general. He actually called this happening about a year or so ago with a Stephen A. Smith interview, pretty damn amazing.

Here is a abcsports interview. Good read

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/sto...3404274&page=1

darksensei · 07-23-2007, 06:54 PM

Very interesting article Dis, thanks.

Source: NBA thought Donaghy was doing great job

Tim Donaghy, the NBA referee at the center of an FBI gambling investigation, received an above-average evaluation from his superiors for the past season, according to a person close to the embattled ref. "The league was extremely pleased with his progress," the source said. "They thought it was his best year." Donaghy, 40, allegedly bet on NBA games, including some that he officiated during the past two seasons. He resigned less than two weeks ago. Despite claims from friends and neighbors yesterday that Donaghy had been the target of a private investigator hired by the NBA to look into his gambling habits, the league continued to increase his workload. "The playoffs are a reward," said a retired NBA referee, who asked not to be identified. "(Donaghy) made it to the second round (of the playoffs). From everything I heard, he was on track to referee third-round games next season." -- NY Daily News

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Not to beat a dead horse but here are the bad calls from Game 3 if anyone was curious to watch them again:
YouTube - Did Tim Donaghy and crew fixed game 3 of Suns-Spurs?

Not worth commenting about, just putting it out there
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Hippos II · 07-24-2007, 08:22 AM

David Stern doing a live press conference right now on Donaghy, NBAs policy on dirty refs, the extent of their own investigation of Donaghy, and the extent of what he can tell us about the FBI investigation. (lol investigation investigation)

Believe · 07-24-2007, 02:15 PM

I'm not sure why you guys think ref calls can only affect a few points.

If you've ever played sports competitively you'd know that ref calls (in any sport, really) directly affect the momentum of the game.

Jait · 07-24-2007, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Believe

I'm not sure why you guys think ref calls can only affect a few points.

If you've ever played sports competitively you'd know that ref calls directly affect the momentum of the game.

No shit. Not to mention pissing you off so bad it affects your game.

Akileese · 07-24-2007, 05:53 PM

It sucks as a sports fan, but the FBI were looking at this with a much bigger picture in mind than an NBA ref who made some really poor decisions. This is more mob works behind the scene.

I feel the NBA has hit rock bottom. It can only get better (and I pray it does) from here.

Moontayle · 07-24-2007, 06:13 PM

As a side note: Due to the focus on terrorism since 9/11, the cosa nostra has basically gotten back on its feet after the massive takedowns in the 80s.

Loftish v2 · 07-24-2007, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moontayle

As a side note: Due to the focus on terrorism since 9/11, the cosa nostra has basically gotten back on its feet after the massive takedowns in the 80s.

I've heard a few people say this now, do you have any sources for this. I'm not trying to be an ass; I'm just curious.

Moontayle · 07-25-2007, 10:44 AM

I know I read it in a news article like last Friday or something, and it was completely unrelated to the NBA ref story. I think it was about a trial going on in Chicago about the guy who was the inspiration for Joe Pesci's character in Casino.

If you go to Yahoo News and type in Joe Pesci in the news search box you'll bring up a bunch of articles (too lazy to link them all).

07-23-2007, 02:15 PM	#62 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,821 -26 Internets	Gee, an anonymous tip says the NBA didn't have any idea he was crooked? SHOCKER! __________________ I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hand. I ball my fists and you gonna know where I stand.

07-23-2007, 04:03 PM	#64 (permalink)
Dis There is no internets Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,469	Listened to a Brandon Lang interview on the radio. This guy has an immense knowledge of sports and gmabling in general. He actually called this happening about a year or so ago with a Stephen A. Smith interview, pretty damn amazing. Here is a abcsports interview. Good read http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/sto...3404274&page=1 __________________ Not a spelling nazi Definitions of LOSE on the Web: fail to keep or to maintain; cease to have, either physically or in an abstract sense; "She lost her purse when she left it unattended on her seat" Definitions of LOOSE on the Web: not restrained or confined or attached; "a pocket full of loose bills"; "knocked the ball loose"; "got loose from his attacker" Please people, stop adding letters to a 4 letter word, kittens die when you do this. Think of the kittens!!!

07-23-2007, 06:54 PM	#65 (permalink)
darksensei Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 860 +1 Internets	Very interesting article Dis, thanks. Source: NBA thought Donaghy was doing great job Tim Donaghy, the NBA referee at the center of an FBI gambling investigation, received an above-average evaluation from his superiors for the past season, according to a person close to the embattled ref. "The league was extremely pleased with his progress," the source said. "They thought it was his best year." Donaghy, 40, allegedly bet on NBA games, including some that he officiated during the past two seasons. He resigned less than two weeks ago. Despite claims from friends and neighbors yesterday that Donaghy had been the target of a private investigator hired by the NBA to look into his gambling habits, the league continued to increase his workload. "The playoffs are a reward," said a retired NBA referee, who asked not to be identified. "(Donaghy) made it to the second round (of the playoffs). From everything I heard, he was on track to referee third-round games next season." -- NY Daily News -------- Not to beat a dead horse but here are the bad calls from Game 3 if anyone was curious to watch them again: YouTube - Did Tim Donaghy and crew fixed game 3 of Suns-Spurs? Not worth commenting about, just putting it out there -------- Last edited by darksensei : 07-23-2007 at 07:56 PM.

07-24-2007, 02:15 PM	#67 (permalink)
Believe Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,990 -3 Internets	I'm not sure why you guys think ref calls can only affect a few points. If you've ever played sports competitively you'd know that ref calls (in any sport, really) directly affect the momentum of the game. Last edited by Believe : 07-24-2007 at 02:17 PM.

07-24-2007, 06:13 PM	#70 (permalink)
Moontayle Romo is a manwhore Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,592	As a side note: Due to the focus on terrorism since 9/11, the cosa nostra has basically gotten back on its feet after the massive takedowns in the 80s. __________________ WoW - Lieutenant-Commander Ignitz, 70 Gnome Warrior, Shadow Council, Devstyle, Retired

07-23-2007, 02:08 PM	#61 (permalink)
darksensei Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 860 +1 Internets	There is some confusion to who to believe the NYT, or elsewhere. For example check out S.I.'s truth and rumor page: FanNation \| Truth&Rumors \| NBA First article is NBA let ref work under suspicion, while the second is NBA had no knowledge. But they talk about two different things. The NBA was unaware until recently about the FBI's investigation. The NBA was aware that Tim Donaghy was suspicious and hired their own private investigator over a year ago. All this tells me is that the NBA doesn't even have this excuse anymore: we knew he was suspicious but the FBI didn't have a solid case and asked us not to compromise their investigation. Edit for clarification: The Denver Post isn't the only place reporting that the NBA new, including other New York papers.

07-24-2007, 08:22 AM	#66 (permalink)
Hippos II Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 684 -1 Internets	David Stern doing a live press conference right now on Donaghy, NBAs policy on dirty refs, the extent of their own investigation of Donaghy, and the extent of what he can tell us about the FBI investigation. (lol investigation investigation)

07-25-2007, 10:44 AM	#72 (permalink)
Moontayle Romo is a manwhore Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,592	I know I read it in a news article like last Friday or something, and it was completely unrelated to the NBA ref story. I think it was about a trial going on in Chicago about the guy who was the inspiration for Joe Pesci's character in Casino. If you go to Yahoo News and type in Joe Pesci in the news search box you'll bring up a bunch of articles (too lazy to link them all). __________________ WoW - Lieutenant-Commander Ignitz, 70 Gnome Warrior, Shadow Council, Devstyle, Retired

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