[NFL] Michael "Woof Woof" Vick indicted - Page 11

Twobit Whore · 08-17-2007, 08:46 AM

If he pleas down he won't get the betting charge. I'm sure that's in the deal. This leaves the door open for a return however unlikely one is.

Jooka · 08-17-2007, 11:58 AM

Isnt it a lifetime ban for illegal gambling?

Twobit Whore · 08-17-2007, 12:03 PM

If convicted, yes. But if he pleas then I think the lawyers will get that charge dropped. Probably one of the conditions.

Just speculating of course, but it makes sense.

Mimirswell · 08-17-2007, 12:08 PM

Honestly, with all of the co-defendants pleading with conditions to assist the prosecution, there is no reason to cut Vicks a reasonable deal. It's in the prosecutors best interest to carry on this ordeal as it will give him a substantial boost to his career and at this point, he has what appears to be a rock solid case.

Twobit Whore · 08-17-2007, 12:11 PM

It's in *our* best interest as taxpayers to cut him a deal. Save millions on a trial and free up one of the premiere courtrooms for other trials.

Jooka · 08-17-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

If convicted, yes. But if he pleas then I think the lawyers will get that charge dropped. Probably one of the conditions.

Just speculating of course, but it makes sense.

Im thinking he opted to not plea and fight. Pretty sure I read/saw on the news he needed to do the plea before these guys went to court.(so im guessing the plea wasnt anything close to what he wanted if thats the case)

Twobit Whore · 08-17-2007, 12:21 PM

He has until the end of today to do it I believe.

Mimirswell · 08-17-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

It's in *our* best interest as taxpayers to cut him a deal. Save millions on a trial and free up one of the premiere courtrooms for other trials.

Right but most Prosecutors (read: people) don't operate in the best interest of the taxpayer when concerning cases that have the propensity to wildly influence their future prestige/income.

Angerz · 08-17-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mimirswell

Right but most Prosecutors (read: people) don't operate in the best interest of the taxpayer when concerning cases that have the propensity to wildly influence their future prestige/income.

Some legal analyst mentioned that if they are offering him a plea deal, then there is always the possibility that their seeming mountain of evidence may not be as strong as they lead on.

Especially since the main 3 witnesses at the moment appear to be dirt bags, and moreover, dirt bags who took a deal to keep their asses in jail for less time in exchange for testimony.

A low life covering his ass isnt the most credible of witnesses, even if he is testifying against other low lifes.

Either way, unless he is as innocent as he says he is, I dont see vick not taking a deal. 1 to 2 years vs the potential for a 20 year sentence if the feds add a racketeering charge on top of the other charges seems like a no brainer to me.

Cynno · 08-18-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Angerz

A low life covering his ass isnt the most credible of witnesses, even if he is testifying against other low lifes.

Still, 3 low life's testifying against you is a lot worse than 0 people testifying in your defense.

Nebuchadnezzar · 08-18-2007, 06:57 AM

I've heard 8 witnesses, the 3 that turned on him, plus those that can put him at various dog fighting events. Those other five are going to be credible informants and the like, hell, maybe even undercover agents.

Twobit Whore · 08-18-2007, 09:51 AM

If the rumors of this photo are true, that's about all they need. Vick, the defendants and a dog in a picture = guilty. Sure, you may say 'well it's just some dudes and a dog' but these other people have agreed to go to prison for a year or two in order to not go to prison for several more years. You don't do that just to 'stick it to Vick' or if you are innocent.

Mimirswell · 08-19-2007, 04:31 PM

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A grand jury in the district convenes on Monday. Prosecutors announced their intentions to file a superseding indictment in the case at last month's initial court hearing. A new indictment would include new charges, including racketeering, against Vick, the two people with knowledge of plea negotiations told the AJC.

Source: Vick may face new indictment Monday | ajc.com

Twobit Whore · 08-20-2007, 12:53 PM

No surprise really, but Vick has agreed to go to jail for 12-18 months reportedly.

FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Report: Vick accepts plea deal

Lenardo · 08-20-2007, 02:11 PM

i heard its 18 to 36 months.. we'll find out the full details soon enough

i also heard a report that vick is going to be suspended indefinately from the nfl...IF the plea does not have anything about gambling. if it DOES have gambling. he will be Banned from the nfl.

also remember the state is also planning on charging him as well..

08-17-2007, 08:46 AM	#151 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,362 -18 Internets	If he pleas down he won't get the betting charge. I'm sure that's in the deal. This leaves the door open for a return however unlikely one is. __________________ I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hand. I ball my fists and you gonna know where I stand.

08-17-2007, 12:03 PM	#153 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,362 -18 Internets	If convicted, yes. But if he pleas then I think the lawyers will get that charge dropped. Probably one of the conditions. Just speculating of course, but it makes sense. __________________ I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hand. I ball my fists and you gonna know where I stand.

08-17-2007, 12:11 PM	#155 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,362 -18 Internets	It's in our best interest as taxpayers to cut him a deal. Save millions on a trial and free up one of the premiere courtrooms for other trials. __________________ I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hand. I ball my fists and you gonna know where I stand.

08-17-2007, 12:21 PM	#157 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,362 -18 Internets	He has until the end of today to do it I believe. __________________ I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hand. I ball my fists and you gonna know where I stand.

08-18-2007, 06:57 AM	#161 (permalink)
Nebuchadnezzar Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,758 +1 Internets	I've heard 8 witnesses, the 3 that turned on him, plus those that can put him at various dog fighting events. Those other five are going to be credible informants and the like, hell, maybe even undercover agents. __________________ I eat grass like an ox and shat like a fox.

08-17-2007, 11:58 AM	#152 (permalink)
Jooka Hey, man. We've been riding in this same lousy bus since 1978! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,035 -49 Internets	Isnt it a lifetime ban for illegal gambling?

08-17-2007, 12:08 PM	#154 (permalink)
Mimirswell ex scientia lux Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 647 +0 Internets	Honestly, with all of the co-defendants pleading with conditions to assist the prosecution, there is no reason to cut Vicks a reasonable deal. It's in the prosecutors best interest to carry on this ordeal as it will give him a substantial boost to his career and at this point, he has what appears to be a rock solid case.

08-18-2007, 09:51 AM	#162 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,362 -18 Internets	If the rumors of this photo are true, that's about all they need. Vick, the defendants and a dog in a picture = guilty. Sure, you may say 'well it's just some dudes and a dog' but these other people have agreed to go to prison for a year or two in order to not go to prison for several more years. You don't do that just to 'stick it to Vick' or if you are innocent. __________________ I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hand. I ball my fists and you gonna know where I stand.

08-20-2007, 12:53 PM	#164 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,362 -18 Internets	No surprise really, but Vick has agreed to go to jail for 12-18 months reportedly. FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Report: Vick accepts plea deal __________________ I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hand. I ball my fists and you gonna know where I stand.

08-20-2007, 02:11 PM	#165 (permalink)
Lenardo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,321 -11 Internets	i heard its 18 to 36 months.. we'll find out the full details soon enough i also heard a report that vick is going to be suspended indefinately from the nfl...IF the plea does not have anything about gambling. if it DOES have gambling. he will be Banned from the nfl. also remember the state is also planning on charging him as well..

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