Bonds

[sticktastic]

I know this is going to be a super opinionated topic, but I am really wanting to try to have some rational logic applied if possible.

I am curious as to how some of you long time baseball guys think of this whole deal with bonds, and if you have ever thought positive of him or just always thought he was a douche I saw a highlight of the yanks/giants game and he stole 2nd base and I couldnt help but come here and try to start up some convo as I still find myself torn on which side to take with the guy.

[Twobit Whore]

Back when he and Bobby Bonilla played for the Pirates they were my favorite players. Such an awesome offensive combo. Lately though I am just finding it hard to care. When he wasn't a freak of nature he was still awesome. He was certainly on track to be a 1st ballot HoFer before he got on the juice so I find it hard to fathom why he did it at all. I think really I am just about at the point of not caring. It's been going on so long now and everywhere you turn it's always Palmeiro, Sosa, Mcgwire, Bonds, Giambi over and over. You start to get desensitized to the sensationalistic journalism that is employed. If the ultimate question is do I still think he should be in the hall, then yes.. but that is based solely on his pre-juice performance and not on breaking the alltime homer record.

[Cowbell]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Back when he and Bobby Bonilla played for the Pirates they were my favorite players. Such an awesome offensive combo. Lately though I am just finding it hard to care. When he wasn't a freak of nature he was still awesome. He was certainly on track to be a 1st ballot HoFer before he got on the juice so I find it hard to fathom why he did it at all. I think really I am just about at the point of not caring. It's been going on so long now and everywhere you turn it's always Palmeiro, Sosa, Mcgwire, Bonds, Giambi over and over. You start to get desensitized to the sensationalistic journalism that is employed. If the ultimate question is do I still think he should be in the hall, then yes.. but that is based solely on his pre-juice performance and not on breaking the alltime homer record.

Then I am assuming you are for Pete Rose being in the Hall as well.

I for one think it will taint an already tainted profession if he makes it into the Hall; hell when he breaks the homerun record it will cast a darker cloud over baseball.

[Twobit Whore]

I think Pete should be in the hall, yes.. but I can understand why he isn't. He was banned from baseball and that includes the hall. It's a different scenario. Just because I think Bonds did it doesn't mean he did.. and if he did he certainly wasn't the only one. What about the outfielders who did it and were able to rob homeruns or dive farther for hits.. or pitchers who tossed 2-3 mph faster thanks to juice. It's a whole can of worms and unless we simply leave out anyone that played ball for the last decade or so, then you can't single out one person that you suspect of doing something wrong.

But if Bonds gets busted and banned from baseball like Pete, then he is out and that is the end of the story.

[sticktastic]

Way I see it is this, until there is a positive test somewhere then we can speculate all we want (I think he juiced from 1999-2003). However, I also am a firm believer that he was a HOF player before 1999. So since he is going to break the all time HR record, if he is never proven to have taken anything regardless of all the signs that point to it, you HAVE to let him in the HOF, he was the first 400/400 (only maybe? cant remember if there was another recently) and is far and away the only 500/500.

[Thorpe]

I don't like Bonds because he is a douche bag. As a ball player, he is good, there is no denying it. The juice doesn't make his hand/eye coordination any better and that's what you need to actually make contact.

Pete Rose is one of the greatest players the game has ever seen. It is a shame he went and fucked up because it is a sin that the game's leading hitter isn't in the hall. There is to much "political" bullshit with the hall voters anymore though. Case and point, Shoeless Joe Jackson. He was given a life time ban from baseball. It's easy arguable that he didn't partake in the bribe in the first place based on his numbers from the series. That aside, the man is dead, and so should his lifetime ban.

[Kolle]

is there an official test anywhere that showed him using?

they test players now also right? so we know for certain he isn't currently using and hasn't been for awhile?

[sticktastic]

Originally Posted by Kolle

is there an official test anywhere that showed him using?

they test players now also right? so we know for certain he isn't currently using and hasn't been for awhile?

We know he has failed nothing other than a amphetemine test which on your first offense is non punishable. His personal trainer has been hanging out in prison and refuses to talk about bonds. Which to me speaks volumes, if there was nothing to hide all he would have to say is "there is nothing about barry to know, I do not know anything".