[NBA] Offseason Talk - Page 3

Burkex · 06-21-2007, 05:57 PM

Oh yea I am going to rant and since I am so pissed I'll talk in red:

I think it fucking sucks that all of these superstars refuse to play for certain teams (I use superstars loosely too they are spoiled bitches and I hope they read this). What fucked up shit is this: "I refuse to play for them," waaaa waaaa cry me a river, you get paid millions of dollars to play a fucking sport...try sitting in a cubicle all day staring at a computer like 99% of the world and see how you like that shit. I would find it challenging to play on an underdog team and take them to the championship. But that takes heart, desire, hard work, and other qualities that these "superstars" lack these days. Garnett will not be going to Boston a huge market team with great fans and tradition, just because they are rebuilding, then fuck him. Kobe only wants to go to Chicago or NYC, Fuck him too. These superstars only want to play for either HUGE market teams (NYC or LA) or they want to be on teams that are on the verge of championships. It is not just Kobe or Garnett either it is the newest thing these days from athletes in all sports it seems. The only way a decent team in a small market these days can get better is to get lucky in the lottery, Seattle and Portland really got saved by the lottery because no superstar would go play for them. Then they have to hold onto these lottery players and hope they don't leave as a free agent after a few years and go to a bigger market like Shaq did in going to LA.

In the old days if you were traded you had to suck it up and pack your bags and play for your new team and try to fucking win, don't be a fucking baby. Some things in sports have gotten so gay.

If the Celtics can't get KG, they should try to trade for Odom or Durant, I hear Seattle and Portland are having second thoughts. Apparently they bitched that Odom just had a bad workout with Portland. If these lucky ass teams are going to bitch about bad workouts and the fact that Durant can't bench 185 lbs 1 time then STFU and trade your pick, they were lucky as hell to get it anyways. Fucking, beggers can't be choosy. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. And whatever other sayings fit in here please insert them.

And fix the fucking NBA draft. It is so fucked up atm. Celtics got screwed out of Tim Duncan and now out of Odom. Pure BS. There is a reason why the NFL is the best pro sport with the most parody their draft isn't completely fucked up.

Exhale.

Ok I had to get that off my chest sorry.

Ham n Cheese · 06-21-2007, 06:36 PM

meh I think it's gay he has a say in the trade at all. they had an agreement on the table apparently but his veto was enough to squash it.

whoa somehow missed the post above me until now. must be a boston fan~

cdyhybrid · 06-21-2007, 07:50 PM

KG definitely has a better chance of winning a title in Phoenix than in the East. He might win the East every year, but he'll just end up getting rolled in the Finals. Phoenix with KG, Nash, and Amare would be the favorites every year.

As for the Celtics, maybe they shouldn't have tanked the season

And I wouldn't want to play there either. They only have themselves to blame for not being able to get a superstar, their entire organization is incompetent.

Burkex · 06-21-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ham n Cheese

whoa somehow missed the post above me until now. must be a boston fan~

YEP!

At least the Sox and pats do well every year. I'll be content with the Pats going 19-0 this year.

Akileese · 06-21-2007, 11:40 PM

If he can go to Phoenix and they can KEEP Amare (which seems essentially impossible), Kevin McHale will go down as the worst gm in the history of pro sports. Well, unless Mitch Kupchak tries to one up him and trade Kobe for Jamal Crawford and Stephon Marbury.

Blumpster · 06-22-2007, 08:22 AM

You can call KG a baby all you want, but he's played 12 years for the crappiest organization in professional sports. Kevin McHale is the worst VP/GM in history already, and I think trading KG to a team where he can win a championship (he fucking deserves one) will actually be a credit to his managing ability. KG has been shit on time and time again by the managements inability to sign good players and actually keep them on the team. He's carried entire teams on his back for his whole career (ok so he had some help in 04, but then the management let it fall apart) and I think he should be allowed to influence where he ends up playing.

Kobe is another story. I think it's really funny and interesting though.

Burkex · 06-22-2007, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blumpster

I think trading KG to a team where he can win a championship (he fucking deserves one)

KG has has some good teams in Minnesota, ones that could have gone to the championship however in the playoffs he tends to suck and completely disappear. At least Kobe tries to take over games by himself and win. KG just seems to give up. Maybe if he tried to dominate some games more he would have done better.

In 2003-2004 KG had the best team in the WEST with a 58-24 record so I don't want to hear that he was never on a good team that is just not true:
ESPN.com - NBA - NBA Overall Standings 2003-2004
In the Playoffs they beat Denver, then Sacramento, then got the the conference finals vs the Lakers and if you remember they completely choked in the 4th quarters of those games. KG never wanted the ball and refused to carry his team. After that series he had doubters thinking he would never be a championship player: NBA.com: Minnesota Timberwolves (1) vs. Los Angeles Lakers (2)

Then the next year they failed to make the playoffs due to that huge choke and realization that KG was scared to take over in the 4th quarter in big games.

sticktastic · 06-22-2007, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burkex

KG has has some good teams in Minnesota, ones that could have gone to the championship however in the playoffs he tends to suck and completely disappear. At least Kobe tries to take over games by himself and win. KG just seems to give up. Maybe if he tried to dominate some games more he would have done better.

In 2003-2004 KG had the best team in the WEST with a 58-24 record so I don't want to hear that he was never on a good team that is just not true:
ESPN.com - NBA - NBA Overall Standings 2003-2004
In the Playoffs they beat Denver, then Sacramento, then got the the conference finals vs the Lakers and if you remember they completely choked in the 4th quarters of those games. KG never wanted the ball and refused to carry his team. After that series he had doubters thinking he would never be a championship player: NBA.com: Minnesota Timberwolves (1) vs. Los Angeles Lakers (2)

Then the next year they failed to make the playoffs due to that huge choke and realization that KG was scared to take over in the 4th quarter in big games.

Got to remember thot was the first decent team he had in 2004. He deserves the same breaks as others who failed miserably before him that ended up being traded to another team and winning championships later or who endured in the league long enough for the organization to put a team around their superstar. I mean shaq's first trip to the finals orlando got swept by the rockets. The next 3 times he went to the finals he won championships. David robinson didn't win a ring till duncan got there and they put a better team around him. So garnet has a pass on that. Id be willing to bet that he will do fine if he is able to get far in the playoffs again.

Could be like t-mac and vince carter who are repeat offenders when it comes to playoff failures. t-mac cant make it out the first round and vince has horrible series when it counts.

Blumpster · 06-22-2007, 01:11 PM

I said they had a good team in '04, and of course it carried over into '05 but you have to look at the other team they played in '04...those Lakers man, jesus. How they didn't win the finals is beyond mortal minds!!! That was a good team, Wally, Cassell and Sprewell, and there is always going to be a loser. To say they should have won is a bit skeptical...I think most people figured that Lakers team would destroy anything in their path. After their regular season people still had doubts, but with all that experience and talent on one team, in the playoffs? God damn. Wish they would have won, Malone needed a championship.

Urlithani · 06-22-2007, 01:24 PM

I think KG's best chance to the Finals is Phoenix in the West, or Miami in the East.

If what Burkex says is true, both teams have enough to overcome a KG post-season collapse; Phoenix can score with anyone, and between the injuries KG, Wade, and Shaq will likely suffer throughout the season, they'll be ok as long as 2 out of 3 can play on most nights. Of course, I'm making this prediction on the assumption that Riley will ditch some of those old support guys for young roleplayers that won't need CPR after chasing younger and healthier teams like the Bulls up and down the court.

Dis · 06-22-2007, 01:42 PM

Actually, KGs best chance at a final is with San Antonio taking a mid level exception.

sticktastic · 06-22-2007, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dis

Actually, KGs best chance at a final is with San Antonio taking a mid level exception.

While I dont think he will end up in San antonia, just dream with me how that would be...having KG at PF...and having duncan play center (which he does often)...and as much as I cant stand him...parker at PG, that is scary scary shit. Which is the same reason it would never happen

Blumpster · 06-22-2007, 05:00 PM

I'd shit in my pants then eat it and vomit on my dick if KG went to SA.

sticktastic · 06-22-2007, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blumpster

I'd shit in my pants then eat it and vomit on my dick if KG went to SA.

Id have to agree here.

Ham n Cheese · 06-22-2007, 05:32 PM

Uh it's not like he's a free agent. He (and his contract) are being traded.

I don't understand why the trade scenarios they had up were of the likes of Amare+Diaw+Bell or sub Marion in Amare's spot when it was clear Boston wasn't going to have to give up Pierce.

06-21-2007, 05:57 PM	#31 (permalink)
Burkex It's Lord of the Flies time. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,531 -35 Internets	Oh yea I am going to rant and since I am so pissed I'll talk in red: I think it fucking sucks that all of these superstars refuse to play for certain teams (I use superstars loosely too they are spoiled bitches and I hope they read this). What fucked up shit is this: "I refuse to play for them," waaaa waaaa cry me a river, you get paid millions of dollars to play a fucking sport...try sitting in a cubicle all day staring at a computer like 99% of the world and see how you like that shit. I would find it challenging to play on an underdog team and take them to the championship. But that takes heart, desire, hard work, and other qualities that these "superstars" lack these days. Garnett will not be going to Boston a huge market team with great fans and tradition, just because they are rebuilding, then fuck him. Kobe only wants to go to Chicago or NYC, Fuck him too. These superstars only want to play for either HUGE market teams (NYC or LA) or they want to be on teams that are on the verge of championships. It is not just Kobe or Garnett either it is the newest thing these days from athletes in all sports it seems. The only way a decent team in a small market these days can get better is to get lucky in the lottery, Seattle and Portland really got saved by the lottery because no superstar would go play for them. Then they have to hold onto these lottery players and hope they don't leave as a free agent after a few years and go to a bigger market like Shaq did in going to LA. In the old days if you were traded you had to suck it up and pack your bags and play for your new team and try to fucking win, don't be a fucking baby. Some things in sports have gotten so gay. If the Celtics can't get KG, they should try to trade for Odom or Durant, I hear Seattle and Portland are having second thoughts. Apparently they bitched that Odom just had a bad workout with Portland. If these lucky ass teams are going to bitch about bad workouts and the fact that Durant can't bench 185 lbs 1 time then STFU and trade your pick, they were lucky as hell to get it anyways. Fucking, beggers can't be choosy. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. And whatever other sayings fit in here please insert them. And fix the fucking NBA draft. It is so fucked up atm. Celtics got screwed out of Tim Duncan and now out of Odom. Pure BS. There is a reason why the NFL is the best pro sport with the most parody their draft isn't completely fucked up. Exhale. Ok I had to get that off my chest sorry. __________________ "If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love." My favorite comment (-1): "Your posts make me want to gouge my own eyes out." Last edited by Burkex : 06-21-2007 at 06:11 PM.

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06-21-2007, 06:36 PM	#32 (permalink)
Ham n Cheese You can betray me Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 8,678 +20 Internets	meh I think it's gay he has a say in the trade at all. they had an agreement on the table apparently but his veto was enough to squash it. whoa somehow missed the post above me until now. must be a boston fan~

06-21-2007, 07:50 PM	#33 (permalink)
cdyhybrid Go Dawgs! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oahu/Seattle Posts: 593 +1 Internets	KG definitely has a better chance of winning a title in Phoenix than in the East. He might win the East every year, but he'll just end up getting rolled in the Finals. Phoenix with KG, Nash, and Amare would be the favorites every year. As for the Celtics, maybe they shouldn't have tanked the season And I wouldn't want to play there either. They only have themselves to blame for not being able to get a superstar, their entire organization is incompetent.

06-22-2007, 08:22 AM	#36 (permalink)
Blumpster . Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 1,594 -2 Internets	You can call KG a baby all you want, but he's played 12 years for the crappiest organization in professional sports. Kevin McHale is the worst VP/GM in history already, and I think trading KG to a team where he can win a championship (he fucking deserves one) will actually be a credit to his managing ability. KG has been shit on time and time again by the managements inability to sign good players and actually keep them on the team. He's carried entire teams on his back for his whole career (ok so he had some help in 04, but then the management let it fall apart) and I think he should be allowed to influence where he ends up playing. Kobe is another story. I think it's really funny and interesting though.

06-22-2007, 01:11 PM	#39 (permalink)
Blumpster . Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 1,594 -2 Internets	I said they had a good team in '04, and of course it carried over into '05 but you have to look at the other team they played in '04...those Lakers man, jesus. How they didn't win the finals is beyond mortal minds!!! That was a good team, Wally, Cassell and Sprewell, and there is always going to be a loser. To say they should have won is a bit skeptical...I think most people figured that Lakers team would destroy anything in their path. After their regular season people still had doubts, but with all that experience and talent on one team, in the playoffs? God damn. Wish they would have won, Malone needed a championship.

06-22-2007, 01:24 PM	#40 (permalink)
Urlithani I lieks bacon! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Palm Beach, FL Posts: 218 -2 Internets	I think KG's best chance to the Finals is Phoenix in the West, or Miami in the East. If what Burkex says is true, both teams have enough to overcome a KG post-season collapse; Phoenix can score with anyone, and between the injuries KG, Wade, and Shaq will likely suffer throughout the season, they'll be ok as long as 2 out of 3 can play on most nights. Of course, I'm making this prediction on the assumption that Riley will ditch some of those old support guys for young roleplayers that won't need CPR after chasing younger and healthier teams like the Bulls up and down the court.

06-22-2007, 05:00 PM	#43 (permalink)
Blumpster . Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 1,594 -2 Internets	I'd shit in my pants then eat it and vomit on my dick if KG went to SA.

06-22-2007, 05:32 PM	#45 (permalink)
Ham n Cheese You can betray me Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 8,678 +20 Internets	Uh it's not like he's a free agent. He (and his contract) are being traded. I don't understand why the trade scenarios they had up were of the likes of Amare+Diaw+Bell or sub Marion in Amare's spot when it was clear Boston wasn't going to have to give up Pierce.