[NHL] Offseason Talk - Page 3

Ishad · 06-21-2007, 02:21 PM

Giguere re-signs, 4 years 24 million.

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EmpireF4i · 06-21-2007, 04:54 PM

Giguere knows he could have got more money somewhere else, but thats just the kind of players the Ducks have in their club. Thats what gives me hope that Teemu and Scotty will be back next season again.

Ishad · 06-22-2007, 11:41 AM

Aucion to Calgary seventh round pick. Zyuzin and a prospect to Chicago.

Toskla and Mark Bell to Toronto for a conditional first round pick, a second-round pick in 2007 and a 2009 fourth-round pick.

Bryzgolov and Fernandez are the remaining trade bait goaltenders.

And Vokun is traded to the Panthers for a bunch of picks. Nashville might be putting an entire team of minor league players on the ice by the time the season rolls around.

EmpireF4i · 06-22-2007, 04:26 PM

Wow. Looks like Nashville isnt being moved or sold at all now.

Eomer · 06-26-2007, 02:01 PM

That's not true. What's happened is that the current owner has told the NHL to not proceed any further with any more paperwork (that is costing him a fortune in legal bills, on a team that's already bleeding money) until he has a final, air tight purchase agreement with Balsillie.

See, buying and relocating a sports franchise is really, really complicated. So is purchasing any other business. But tossing in the relocation in to the mix when you've already got signed leases to get out of and so on just makes it a gigantic mess.

The more and more I hear about Balsillie, the less I like the guy. He's trying to, for the second time, do a conditional purchase of the team, get permission to move it from the NHL, THEN sign a final deal. It just doesn't work that way Jimbo, sorry. Buy the team, then worry about moving it. Don't want to be stuck with a team in Nashville that is losing money hand over fist? Then don't take the risk of buying it. I really don't blame Leopold for telling the league to stop work. Everything Balsillie's done in the past little while has been pretty poorly handled (especially taking 14,000 season ticket and private box deposits when he doesn't even own the fucking team, let alone have permission to move it from the league, nor has he gotten out of the remainder of the Preds 30year lease).

Bottle · 06-26-2007, 02:41 PM

What a surprise. The Oilers do jack and have a shitty draft to boot. I hate this team sometimes.

Eomer · 06-26-2007, 03:27 PM

It's not like anyone else made huge moves, other than the two goalies. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing we didn't make any moves. Shit, do you want Aucoin? Mark Bell? No thank you. I'd rather Lowe doesn't pull the trigger on just any trade to make people happy (for example I'm glad we didn't make any big moves at the deadline last season, because it was painfully obvious the team was going nowhere with or without Smyth).

As far as the draft choices go, how exactly did we specifically have a shitty draft? Everyone had a shitty draft. It was a shitty draft. There's a solid chance that not a single player from this year's draft will be in the NHL come November next year. I'm sure there'll be several sleeper guys that come out of this draft where in 5 years everyone will be like "fuck this 40 goal scorer was drafted 50th overall, why the fuck didn't we pick him?", but that's the nature of the beast when picking from 17 and 18 year olds.

There isn't going to be a lot of movement until July 1st and the UFA's start getting signed. Teams with lots of UFA's don't know what holes they'll have to fill, and teams looking for UFA's don't know what holes they can fill with them. The Oilers WILL get a top line center and probably a number 2 or 3 defenseman, at the least.

EmpireF4i · 06-26-2007, 05:23 PM

At first I liked Basille because he seemed like he truly wanted to buy the Penguins and do something good for the club, but now he just seems like he wants to buy any team he can and do what he wants with it. Im glad that Nashville has slowed things down.

Eomer · 06-26-2007, 06:09 PM

He wants to move a team to Hamilton ASAP. But like most billionaire business men, he's used to being able to do whatever the fuck he wants and has a hard time dealing when suddenly he's got to face down 29 other billionaires who may or may not have their own vested interests in teams moving around.

The thing that makes no sense to me is how much he bid for the team. That's a hefty price tag for a team that has traded away it's core, has no chance of profitability without terminating it's lease and relocating, and an owner desperate for someone to jump on board to share the blood letting with. Were he to buy the team, the earliest they'd be playing in a new location would probably be the 2009-10 season, so that's at least two more seasons losing tens of millions of dollars. None of what he's done with the Nashville offer has made much sense, to be honest.

Bottle · 06-26-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer

It's not like anyone else made huge moves, other than the two goalies. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing we didn't make any moves. Shit, do you want Aucoin? Mark Bell? No thank you. I'd rather Lowe doesn't pull the trigger on just any trade to make people happy (for example I'm glad we didn't make any big moves at the deadline last season, because it was painfully obvious the team was going nowhere with or without Smyth).

As far as the draft choices go, how exactly did we specifically have a shitty draft? Everyone had a shitty draft. It was a shitty draft. There's a solid chance that not a single player from this year's draft will be in the NHL come November next year. I'm sure there'll be several sleeper guys that come out of this draft where in 5 years everyone will be like "fuck this 40 goal scorer was drafted 50th overall, why the fuck didn't we pick him?", but that's the nature of the beast when picking from 17 and 18 year olds.

There isn't going to be a lot of movement until July 1st and the UFA's start getting signed. Teams with lots of UFA's don't know what holes they'll have to fill, and teams looking for UFA's don't know what holes they can fill with them. The Oilers WILL get a top line center and probably a number 2 or 3 defenseman, at the least.

Well a lot of it is that I'm tired of Lowe's media personality. He's always going on about how he's going to shake things up and do big things in the draft and it never happens. "Oh I wanted to draft Gaborik, oh I wanted to move up and take Pitkanen... yadda yadda yadda."

I hated that Ninnimaki pick a few years back. I didn't like Pouliot over Parise, and I didn't like the Dubnyk pick. I did really like the Schremp pick regardless of what happens with him.

As for the pick. I don't get why they traded their two second rounders to move up to 21 for a guy that likely would have been there for their first second round pick.

Plante? I guess that's alright.

I like the Gagner pick eventhough the team has a shit ton of small center prospects.

I would have went with Gagner, Cherepanov, and Backlund. I guess we'll see which trio is better in four-five years.

Oh and I am/was a long time member of oilfans.com I don't know if you know the site or not, but its where I learned to love and hate my fave hockey team...

Eomer · 06-26-2007, 10:03 PM

I certainly won't disagree that the Oiler's drafting record for the past 17 years has been abysmal. We had so many good, high picks throughout the 90's cause we were so piss poor, and only a handful of them turned into decent players. There's so many massive miscalculations it's pretty embarassing (Steve Kelly instead of Shane Doan? Fuck).

But at the same time, I think they've gotten a lot better in the past 5 or so years, basically since Lowe took over. Speaking of Dubnyk specifically, drafting a goalie is ALWAYS a gamble. Hell, getting an establshed goalie can be a gamble, if you say or do the wrong thing and mess their head up worse than it already is. Dubnyk, from what I saw in the pre-season last year, looked phenomenal. He's goddamn huge, too. Markannen is almost definitely gone, because it's time for Deslauriers to move up, and Dubnyk to play a lot of minutes in the AHL.

My main problem with Lowe's media personality is his desperate fight with baldness. Give it up dude, it's almost all gone, no matter how much gel Simmer uses before press conferences to spruce it up for you.

Eomer · 06-28-2007, 06:17 AM

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Balsillie's bid to buy the Predators nixed: report

Looks like it's officially done. I don't blame Leopold for not wanting to pass on another offer for Balsillie's richer one, only for him to get cold feet.

Moontayle · 06-28-2007, 07:22 AM

3 days to free agency and not a word about Briere or Drury. I think it's time to consider them gone.

Ishad · 06-28-2007, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eomer

Looks like it's officially done. I don't blame Leopold for not wanting to pass on another offer for Balsillie's richer one, only for him to get cold feet.

I'm not sure if the Preds moving to Kansas City will be any better or worse than Hamilton.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moontayle

3 days to free agency and not a word about Briere or Drury. I think it's time to consider them gone.

Eh, I'd expect a flurry of signings this weekend. There hasn't been much talk of signings here for Schnieder, Markov, Bertuzzi and such so I'm chalking it up to the new cap number not being solid yet.

When that comes out on friday things should pick up when teams know exactly what they can spend.

Moontayle · 06-28-2007, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ishad

Eh, I'd expect a flurry of signings this weekend. There hasn't been much talk of signings here for Schnieder, Markov, Bertuzzi and such so I'm chalking it up to the new cap number not being solid yet.

When that comes out on friday things should pick up when teams know exactly what they can spend.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Sabres were buttfucking last year's cap so I can see them holding off until it's definite.

As far as the preds are concerned, it's a bad market but moving the team to the Kansas City hockey hotbed *snicker* might not do much more than shuffle the losing money around.

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06-21-2007, 02:21 PM	#31 (permalink)
Ishad Fires of Heaven WoW Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 359 +4 Internets	Giguere re-signs, 4 years 24 million. TSN : NHL - Canada's Sports Leader

06-21-2007, 04:54 PM	#32 (permalink)
EmpireF4i Right as the mail Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,418 -27 Internets	Giguere knows he could have got more money somewhere else, but thats just the kind of players the Ducks have in their club. Thats what gives me hope that Teemu and Scotty will be back next season again.

06-22-2007, 04:26 PM	#34 (permalink)
EmpireF4i Right as the mail Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,418 -27 Internets	Wow. Looks like Nashville isnt being moved or sold at all now.

06-26-2007, 02:01 PM	#35 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,771 +26 Internets	That's not true. What's happened is that the current owner has told the NHL to not proceed any further with any more paperwork (that is costing him a fortune in legal bills, on a team that's already bleeding money) until he has a final, air tight purchase agreement with Balsillie. See, buying and relocating a sports franchise is really, really complicated. So is purchasing any other business. But tossing in the relocation in to the mix when you've already got signed leases to get out of and so on just makes it a gigantic mess. The more and more I hear about Balsillie, the less I like the guy. He's trying to, for the second time, do a conditional purchase of the team, get permission to move it from the NHL, THEN sign a final deal. It just doesn't work that way Jimbo, sorry. Buy the team, then worry about moving it. Don't want to be stuck with a team in Nashville that is losing money hand over fist? Then don't take the risk of buying it. I really don't blame Leopold for telling the league to stop work. Everything Balsillie's done in the past little while has been pretty poorly handled (especially taking 14,000 season ticket and private box deposits when he doesn't even own the fucking team, let alone have permission to move it from the league, nor has he gotten out of the remainder of the Preds 30year lease).

06-26-2007, 02:41 PM	#36 (permalink)
Bottle Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 670 -1 Internets	What a surprise. The Oilers do jack and have a shitty draft to boot. I hate this team sometimes.

06-26-2007, 03:27 PM	#37 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,771 +26 Internets	It's not like anyone else made huge moves, other than the two goalies. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing we didn't make any moves. Shit, do you want Aucoin? Mark Bell? No thank you. I'd rather Lowe doesn't pull the trigger on just any trade to make people happy (for example I'm glad we didn't make any big moves at the deadline last season, because it was painfully obvious the team was going nowhere with or without Smyth). As far as the draft choices go, how exactly did we specifically have a shitty draft? Everyone had a shitty draft. It was a shitty draft. There's a solid chance that not a single player from this year's draft will be in the NHL come November next year. I'm sure there'll be several sleeper guys that come out of this draft where in 5 years everyone will be like "fuck this 40 goal scorer was drafted 50th overall, why the fuck didn't we pick him?", but that's the nature of the beast when picking from 17 and 18 year olds. There isn't going to be a lot of movement until July 1st and the UFA's start getting signed. Teams with lots of UFA's don't know what holes they'll have to fill, and teams looking for UFA's don't know what holes they can fill with them. The Oilers WILL get a top line center and probably a number 2 or 3 defenseman, at the least.

06-26-2007, 05:23 PM	#38 (permalink)
EmpireF4i Right as the mail Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,418 -27 Internets	At first I liked Basille because he seemed like he truly wanted to buy the Penguins and do something good for the club, but now he just seems like he wants to buy any team he can and do what he wants with it. Im glad that Nashville has slowed things down.

06-26-2007, 06:09 PM	#39 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,771 +26 Internets	He wants to move a team to Hamilton ASAP. But like most billionaire business men, he's used to being able to do whatever the fuck he wants and has a hard time dealing when suddenly he's got to face down 29 other billionaires who may or may not have their own vested interests in teams moving around. The thing that makes no sense to me is how much he bid for the team. That's a hefty price tag for a team that has traded away it's core, has no chance of profitability without terminating it's lease and relocating, and an owner desperate for someone to jump on board to share the blood letting with. Were he to buy the team, the earliest they'd be playing in a new location would probably be the 2009-10 season, so that's at least two more seasons losing tens of millions of dollars. None of what he's done with the Nashville offer has made much sense, to be honest.

06-26-2007, 10:03 PM	#41 (permalink)
Eomer You mean I can change this? Neat! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,771 +26 Internets	I certainly won't disagree that the Oiler's drafting record for the past 17 years has been abysmal. We had so many good, high picks throughout the 90's cause we were so piss poor, and only a handful of them turned into decent players. There's so many massive miscalculations it's pretty embarassing (Steve Kelly instead of Shane Doan? Fuck). But at the same time, I think they've gotten a lot better in the past 5 or so years, basically since Lowe took over. Speaking of Dubnyk specifically, drafting a goalie is ALWAYS a gamble. Hell, getting an establshed goalie can be a gamble, if you say or do the wrong thing and mess their head up worse than it already is. Dubnyk, from what I saw in the pre-season last year, looked phenomenal. He's goddamn huge, too. Markannen is almost definitely gone, because it's time for Deslauriers to move up, and Dubnyk to play a lot of minutes in the AHL. My main problem with Lowe's media personality is his desperate fight with baldness. Give it up dude, it's almost all gone, no matter how much gel Simmer uses before press conferences to spruce it up for you.