Steve Kerr as new Suns GM and President

[Jadaki]

Originally Posted by Dis

And your second paragraph gets a big . Pheonix has a lack of depth, every team has to deal with foul trouble, injuries, ejections, etc. If they had a bench worth a damn having players in and out wouldnt hurt as much, nor would they be wearing their starters out with a 6 man rotation.

Tell me with a straight face that Nash not being able to play didn't have an impact on that game. I don't care if they have the greatest bench in the history of basketball, you don't just replace a two time reigning MVP and get the same thing in the closing minutes of a playoff series. If you actually believe that you are a functioning retard.

[Mkopec1]

Yeah, because we all know wy Detroit lost, it was because of McDyess being thrown out of the game.

See what I did there?

[Mkopec1]

Originally Posted by Jadaki

Tell me with a straight face that Nash not being able to play didn't have an impact on that game. I don't care if they have the greatest bench in the history of basketball, you don't just replace a two time reigning MVP and get the same thing in the closing minutes of a playoff series. If you actually believe that you are a functioning retard.

Thems are the fucking beeaks my man. Either the rest of your team mans up and pulls the weight or you lose. simple as that.This wasnt some grand conspiracy to keep the almighty Suns from claiming their rightfull spot in the NBA finals.

[Jadaki]

Originally Posted by Mkopec1

Thems are the fucking beeaks my man. Either the rest of your team mans up and pulls the weight or you lose. simple as that.

There the breaks, thats true but you can't say the Suns were full strength 5 of the 6 games, when they were not. That is all I am saying.

Both teams played at full strength only 3 games (2, 3, and 4) and the Suns were 2-1 in those games including blowing the Spurs out at home and beating them on the road in game 4.

[Mkopec1]

Originally Posted by Jadaki

There the breaks, thats true but you can't say the Suns were full strength 5 of the 6 games, when they were not. That is all I am saying.

Both teams played at full strength only 3 games (2, 3, and 4) and the Suns were 2-1 in those games including blowing the Spurs out at home and beating them on the road in game 4.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda...But, but....

Are all fucking excuses, and nothing but. This is why its a 7 game series, so Idiots like you cant say... "The Suns lost because of that one bad foul."

Look at it this way...there is always next year...

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Jadaki

There the breaks, thats true but you can't say the Suns were full strength 5 of the 6 games, when they were not. That is all I am saying.

Both teams played at full strength only 3 games (2, 3, and 4) and the Suns were 2-1 in those games including blowing the Spurs out at home and beating them on the road in game 4.

Game 6 must have never happened. O yeah in Game 2 & 4 Duncan was out of the game for a restroom break, Suns would have never won had it not been for bowel movements. Not to mention Giniboli and Parker both got subbed at one point for rest, dont tell me if they were in the game that the Suns would have won.

Hey check it out, I can turn your logic around too!!!

[Jadaki]

Originally Posted by Dis

Game 6 must have never happened. O yeah in Game 2 & 4 Duncan was out of the game for a restroom break, Suns would have never won had it not been for bowel movements. Not to mention Giniboli and Parker both got subbed at one point for rest, dont tell me if they were in the game that the Suns would have won.

Hey check it out, I can turn your logic around too!!!

Game 6 the Spurs were not at 100%, or did you forget cheap shot bob? If I was being biased I would have counted game 6, I didn't idiot.

[Jadaki]

Originally Posted by Mkopec1

Coulda, shoulda, woulda...But, but....

Are all fucking excuses, and nothing but. This is why its a 7 game series, so Idiots like you cant say... "The Suns lost because of that one bad foul."

Look at it this way...there is always next year...

Way to deflect the fact that in the 3 games where all players were available for 100% of the game, the Suns were 2-1. In the games where that was not the case, the Spurs were 3-0.

Those are the facts, you can dispute them all you want. Just makes you look fucking retarded.

No one can argue that the loss of Horry is anywhere close to not having Nash on the court to close a game or Amare and Diaw for an entire game. Or are you saying Horry is an MVP candidate and on the All-NBA first team?

[Mkopec1]

Hey, maybe next year when Nash gets fouled a little hard, he wont flop to the floor like a fish, pretending he just got uppercutted by Tyson or worse, clearing out his bench in the process and causing 2 crucial player suspensions.

And again, I dont give a shit if suns took 3-0, its a 7 game series. /shrug

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Jadaki

Game 6 the Spurs were not at 100%, or did you forget cheap shot bob? If I was being biased I would have counted game 6, I didn't idiot.

So the spurs win doesnt count because the Spurs were short handed? Riiiiiighhhhhttt

[Mkopec1]

Remeber that comercial last year about D Wayde taking all those hits and just getting up and playing? PERCEVERING? Nash should of been paying attention.

[Jadaki]

Originally Posted by Dis

So the spurs win doesnt count because the Spurs were short handed? Riiiiiighhhhhttt

Are you really that dumb? Learn to read.

Horry is what # 8 on the Spurs depth chart after Ginobli and Finley off the bench?

Nash and Amare are two players on the all first team, any team can lose their 8th man and still play basically the same. Do you think the Spurs preform as well without Duncan on the floor?

If you want to count game 6 as the Spurs being at full strength thats fine (but again stupid), I'm pointing out the problem with this 7 game series as that for a very significant portion of it the Suns were shorthanded for various reasons and the Spurs were shorthanded 2 games. If there was a 7 game series with both teams at 100%, I didn't see it. The only people who think otherwise are Spurs fans, but we can see why you didn't want the Suns at 100% for a full series, look at game 2 and 4.

Originally Posted by Mkopec1

Remeber that comercial last year about D Wayde taking all those hits and just getting up and playing? PERCEVERING? Nash should of been paying attention.

Hard to do when you can't get on the court because of blood isn't it? It's not like he was the one on the floor curled up in the fetal position crying like Parker.

[Akileese]

Originally Posted by Mkopec1

Remeber that comercial last year about D Wayde taking all those hits and just getting up and playing? PERCEVERING? Nash should of been paying attention.

Much different scenario man. Not sure on the exact age but Wade has atleast 8 years on him (probably 10). I want Phoenix to win a title before Dallas merely to stick it to them for letting him leave. Don't tell me that they wouldn't have won 3 titles already with Dirk + Nash plus all the pieces they have now.

Phoenix's defense is a major issue, but if Duncan has an off game or you can somehow shut him down (or contain him) the rest of their offense suffers. Plus you wouldn't have to waste doubles and triples on Duncan which is WHY they couldn't stop anyone else. I'm not absolving the Suns from blame. I'm a Celtics fan so I'm completely unbiased in this argument. I said before that I didn't think the Suns would win even if they won game 6. That being said, they dug their own game by somehow blowing game 5 (I've watched that 4th quarter on tivo 3 times and I'm still not sure how the fuck they blew that game. They were in control for 95 percent of the game). If anything, it shows you just how good the Spurs are.

Phoenix needs some changes though. They need to dump Marion before he can bolt to some place like Charlotte for max money and possibly trade Amare for someone who has equal scoring and rebounding, but better defense (pretty much that leaves you with KG).

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Jadaki

I have a complete lack of understanding about how the NBA works. Lastly I am a moron, honestly I need to stop posting in threads about Sports I know nothing about

I guess odd makers in Vegas were Spurs fans. I guess most of the SI.com, ESPN, NBC Sports, CBS Sports, ABC Sports, FOXSports are all Spurs fans. Maybe San Antonio should just rename themselves "America's Team" since a majority of "experts" picked San Antonio to not only win the series, but to win the NBA Championship?

Fact is, San Antonio will be going for their FOURTH championship in 9 years. How many is Phoenix going for? That is why San Antonio was picked, and rightly so to win the series. Phoenix will not, and cannot win a series with its current roster. That is fact, not based off of opinions as they have yet to win a series that takes them to the next level.

Prime example about excuses and how people that use them (you Jadaki) are complete fucking tools for trying to use them. Duncan was injured for pretty much the whole season with his foot. He still took Dallas to a 7 game series that had a plethora of Overtime games. To educate you:

Mavericks win series 4-3


Game 1: at SA
SA 87, DAL 85 - Final
Recap | Box Score

Game 2: at SA
DAL 113, SA 91 - Final
Recap | Box Score

Game 3: at DAL
DAL 104, SA 103 - Final
Recap | Box Score

Game 4: at DAL
DAL 123, SA 118 - Final OT
Recap | Box Score

Game 5: at SA
SA 98, DAL 97 - Final
Recap | Box Score

Game 6: at DAL
SA 91, DAL 86 - Final
Recap | Box Score

Game 7: at SA
DAL 119, SA 111 - Final OT
Recap | Box Score

That was a very close series. The Spurs where playing with a 50% Duncan throughout the WHOLE series. He could not pivot on the post to use any of his sig moves. In the end though, guess what, we lost. So what have the Spurs done since winning their first NBA championship? Sit on their roster? No. They continue to draft and develop talented players which is one of the reasons why we are so deep. Players like Oberto, Nelson (most recent additions) are going to be very good players. They developed All Stars like Parker, and Giniboli. Signed key veterans like Horry, Bowen, Barry who have good teamwork skills over the course of the 9 years after drafting Duncan. The key difference here is that the Spurs have been to the finals, been and won. They know what it takes. The Suns, with their current roster have zero experience in the NBA Finals, they are missing some key components to take them to the next level.

You can make excuses all day, but in the end did you win or lose. If you lost then you need to go back to the drawing board and figure out what peices you need to get you there.

[Akileese]

For the record, Duncan has been pretty banged up for the past 3 years with his foot/back. He just uses his on/off switch extensively and pretty much coasts through the season without having to work himself too hard.