NBA Playoffs

[Druixx]

LOL, Suns fans are pure comedy. I love their excuses and the drama brought on when their precious team hits a defensive buzzsaw in the playoffs every year and gets curbstomped.

Yeah, they can compete a little bit. But DEFENSE wins championships. Run and gun might be fun to watch, if that is your thing, but teams in the mold of Golden State or Phoenix will never win an NBA championship. Three point shooting eventually goes cold, Nash/Davis will have an off night, emotions will boil over (which is what these teams are founded on), and the shit will hit the fan. Guaranteed. Every damn time.

And I will agree with anyone saying that the playoffs are boring now because they are missing Wade/Bryant/Shaq/Bulls/Nowitski are not true basketball fans, IMO. If you had ever played competitive basketball in your life beyond shooting HORSE with your dad when you were 10 you would appreciate good, solid basketball when its right in front of your face (Jazz/Spurs/Pistons).

[darksensei]

I love all the old basketball fans saying how Suns will never win a championship because they don't play defense. How about a more important stat then points allowed per game, point differential. Suns had a +7.2 point differential putting them second highest in the league. I just can't believe how many people are buying into this Horry spewed bullshit of Nash flopping. I also love how many people have watched probably a handful of Suns games and think they have the team pegged.

That said it's a credit to San Antonio's perimeter defense that the Suns have played as poorly as they have this series, but they've been in every game with horrible perimeter shooting and very little penetration. All it takes is one night of the Suns shooting the ball well (Barbosa remembering he's an awesome 3 point shooter instead of just a driver) and the Suns can force a game 7. And if/when they beat the Spurs, you'll still hear these same people saying the Suns won't beat the Jazz/Pistons because defense wins championships.

Oh and Rad, I've probably seen more Suns games than most people posting on this board, who's eyes has Bell poked? I've never once seen him put his foot under a shooter coming down. I'm sorry they're not in the same league except for the flopping which Bell does and I wish he didn't.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Druixx

And I will agree with anyone saying that the playoffs are boring now because they are missing Wade/Bryant/Shaq/Bulls/Nowitski are not true basketball fans, IMO. If you had ever played competitive basketball in your life beyond shooting HORSE with your dad when you were 10 you would appreciate good, solid basketball when its right in front of your face (Jazz/Spurs/Pistons).

Well that rules out probably 90% of NBA fans! The NBA doesn't make money on fundamentals.. if that were true the WNBA would be a runaway success.

[Druixx]

Excuses, excuses. Stats during the regular season don't mean crap. If that was the case, they would have handed Dallas the trophy and just cancelled the postseason. Its a foregone conclusion, right?

And don't start the "All it takes is..." garbage. The Suns are lucky the Spurs haven't been on fire and blown them out by 30. Ginobili and Parker have not had great games yet, especially on the same night as Tim Duncan. The key is the Spurs don't NEED multiple players to get hot to win games. The Suns do. You said it yourself.

This series is over. Bring on the Jazz. Now THAT is a series I am looking forward to.

[Druixx]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Well that rules out probably 90% of NBA fans! The NBA doesn't make money on fundamentals.. if that were true the WNBA would be a runaway success.

Of course they make money off glitz and glamor. Just don't expect those glitzy teams to win championships. Which is why the true basketball fans love this time of year because the good teams rise to the top and we get a few weeks of great basketball.

[Dis]

Points Allowed Per Game 102.9 Rank = 23
Points Allowed Per Game 90.1 Rank = 1


Guess which stats belong to which team. Yeah the Suns play GREAT defense

[Armadon]

Originally Posted by Dis

Points Allowed Per Game 102.9 Rank = 23
Points Allowed Per Game 90.1 Rank = 1


Guess which stats belong to which team. Yeah the Suns play GREAT defense

Yeah because the other team has more time then others because of the suns style. The suns put up points in less then 10 seconds off the shot clock Which means the other team has more oppertunities to score. Gee guess you didn't think of that before posting some meaningless stats.

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Armadon

Yeah because the other team has more time then others because of the suns style. The suns put up points in less then 10 seconds off the shot clock Which means the other team has more oppertunities to score. Gee guess you didn't think of that before posting some meaningless stats.

LOL are you a fucking moron? O WAIT, POINTS ALLOWED PER GAME IS A MEANINGLESS STAT, SORRY I MUST HAVE MISSED THE MEMO.

You know, it isnt a telling sign or anything, most NBA championship teams are in the top 10 of PPG allowed. But you know, NBA Championships are meaningless, gotcha!

[Kaldon Grimblade]

You guys are unfair to dismiss the Suns as a shallow run and gun team without a chance for the championship, if it was the case, it would have been a walk in the park so far for the Spurs. I am not saying they are much better than the Spurs, i see them as roughly equal, very different teams, but equal. If it wasn't for Stoudemire's unfairly called fouls in Game 3 and his suspension for Game 5, the series score would probably be different. That's all there is to it, attributing the current score to other factors, like Spurs' defense and style of playing, is doing the Suns a disservice.

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Kaldon Grimblade

You guys are unfair to dismiss the Suns as a shallow run and gun team without a chance for the championship, if it was the case, it would have been a walk in the park so far for the Spurs. I am not saying they are much better than the Spurs, i see them as roughly equal, very different teams, but equal. If it wasn't for Stoudemire's unfairly called fouls in Game 3 and his suspension for Game 5, the series score would probably be different. That's all there is to it, attributing the current score to other factors, like Spurs' defense and style of playing, is doing the Suns a disservice.

The Suns are a really good run and gun team (To compare them to the warriors would be a disservice), but they are still just that. And as history has shown time and time again. Defense wins championships period.

The Suns are missing a piece or two of the puzzle to be a championship caliber team. Namely players that can rebound, and play defense. And as I have stated before, I see the Jazz usurping the crown of West dynasty away from the Spurs in the near future as long as they keep that team intact.

[Slick Willey]

Originally Posted by Kaldon Grimblade

You guys are unfair to dismiss the Suns as a shallow run and gun team without a chance for the championship, if it was the case, it would have been a walk in the park so far for the Spurs. I am not saying they are much better than the Spurs, i see them as roughly equal, very different teams, but equal. If it wasn't for Stoudemire's unfairly called fouls in Game 3 and his suspension for Game 5, the series score would probably be different. That's all there is to it, attributing the current score to other factors, like Spurs' defense and style of playing, is doing the Suns a disservice.

Well, all the basketball "purists" (including myself) who are saying they won't win a championship because of their style of play could be eating crow if they ultimately go on to win the championship. We'll just have to see

[Dis]

Originally Posted by Kaldon Grimblade

You guys are unfair to dismiss the Suns as a shallow run and gun team without a chance for the championship, if it was the case, it would have been a walk in the park so far for the Spurs. I am not saying they are much better than the Spurs, i see them as roughly equal, very different teams, but equal. If it wasn't for Stoudemire's unfairly called fouls in Game 3 and his suspension for Game 5, the series score would probably be different. That's all there is to it, attributing the current score to other factors, like Spurs' defense and style of playing, is doing the Suns a disservice.

Honestly, they have the ability to win it all. But the Suns have to be hot 4 games out of 7 for 4 straight series in order to that. Those arent good odds my friend. That in general is why defense wins championships.

Like how I hedged my bets a little?

[Jadaki]

Originally Posted by Druixx

The Suns are lucky the Spurs haven't been on fire and blown them out by 30. Ginobili and Parker have not had great games yet, especially on the same night as Tim Duncan.

Maybe it's a testament to the Suns defense that those guys haven't been hitting their season averages, or they are being exposed as players who need a good inside presence to get double teamed to open opportunities for them. And since for the most part the Suns are playing Duncan 1 on 1, those guys aren't getting the easy looks they are accustomed to. That would be good defense though and the Suns never play D.

I'm not a fan of any particular team, but what the NBA has done this postseason to hamstring the Suns has made the playoffs a joke. I was hoping for a great series between these two teams, but at this point it's been one of the worst series so far because of bad officiating and stupid suspensions.

[Druixx]

I agree. The playoffs could have done with less of these suspensions, media hype, and whining. If for nothing else, it will leave Phoenix fans with an excuse to cry for months to come if they lose the series.

And if it wasn't the Suns-Spurs series clouding the waters, it would have been the Warrior's whining, hard fouls, and technicals in the Warriors-Jazz series. I hope this crap is over and people can play some basketball.

[Phoenix]

All I can say is wow Raja Bell, wow.