The MMA thread

[Grumath]

The jizz splats up near the neckline are a nice touch...

[Darph]

Originally Posted by Grimmlokk

Wow.

EDIT:

Special video for Darph =D

Oh yes, come to daddy...

Anyways, anyone else notice how classy and respectful these two guys are? It's like the polar opposite of Ken Shamrock vs Tito.

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Good BJJ...

Eh.. Submissions aint what they used to be. EVERYONE knows them now. It's not like in Royce's day when only BJJ, Judo/Sambo and the occasional but rare catch wrestler knew them. I'm sure most fans can do an armbar by now. Hell, my girlfriend knows how to pass guard, kimura, americana, armbar from mount, throw it from guard, RNC, triangle, etc. The real issue is naturally using these attacks. I think a lot of guys go blank when they're in the cage, and use their skills mostly for defense.

Originally Posted by Celebrindal

Learn Rubber Guard.

Ew. Buzzword. Basics are much more important than exotic guards. Most MMA fighters need to practice on either using what they know, or need to fix up their basics. You see a lot of straight arms not getting arm barred in the UFC these days.

Anyways, I pick Lesnar by GnP, and Big Nog by decision (he's going to outbox Tim) this weekend!

Nakamora, Eastman, Horn and Heath gonna win their fights!

[Ameraves Loyalheart]

The UFC has/had the opportunity to put together a blockbuster fight, and have totally blown it. I just can't believe they are so caught up with themselves that they wouldn't allow a fighter from another organization to come in for a 1 fight deal. So fucking stupid. Anyways...

For tomorrows card:

Nog vs Sylvia - Hopefully he gets Sylvia in an armbar and he gets his arm busted again

Mir vs Lesnar - I really think this depends on which Mir shows up. However, I have a feeling Lesnar is just going to overpower him

Marquardt vs Horn - I think Horn is going to come out with the win via submission.

Griffin vs Tibau - Griffin via KO!

Not to sure about the rest. Hopefully this is an exciting card like the last one.

[ziggyholiday]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Steroid testing? nope.

Narcotic testing? nope.

Which is wierd because Nick Diaz's win over Takanori Gomi at Pride 33 was over turned beacuse Diaz tested positive for marijuana.

Yes, marijuana is not a narcotic, but the normal method of testing for all of these things is by a urine sample. So why would you take a urine sample and only test for pot?

--Edit--
After looking into this more, it was the NSAC that made the ruling. Anyone have an explanation?

[homsar]

Pride did 2 events in the states.

[ziggyholiday]

So the events in japan were not regulated? ie like jayrebb stated?

[homsar]

Originally Posted by ziggyholiday

So the events in japan were not regulated? ie like jayrebb stated?

Yeah pretty much so

Originally Posted by jayrebb

I

Liddell got his ass throttled in the ring. Pot kettle black.

Just saw this. Liddell only lost t Jackson in the ring and he got destroyed even worse against him in the cage. He had no problem against his other opponents while fighting in pride.

[Haalen]

Big Nog's eye has looked like absolute shit since the 2nd round of the OWGP, so I've really been wondering if the beatings or catching up to him. If he's still in peak condition I imagine he should win the fight if he's willing to be aggressive and really take the fight to Poopy Pants, including outboxing him and not just non-stop takedown attempts (unless they work!). However I can imagine Fattyclench McLeansDontLose (sp?) will try to jab his way to a decision, which is a possibility.

Brock Lesnar's 1 MMA bout proved 1 thing: He can beat guys who suck. So I have no idea how exactly he'll do against Mir. Mir needs to win quick. While everyone focuses on his broken leg, even if he's full recovered from that, his stamina may still be as shitty as its always been. If he doesn't win it quickly there is a good chance Lesnar will GnP out a win.

My guesses:
Tim Sylvia beats Big Nog - Stuffs take downs and jabs his way to a decision. I really really really hope I'm wrong though.
Mir beats Lesnar - I really wonder what he's been training this whole time. If he's only going to rely on his wrestling he'll probably get submitted early.
Marquardt beats Horn - probably decision
Almeida beats last minute replacement - hooray for the return of a good BJJ fighter who is willing to strike!
Tyson Griffin beats Tibau
K-taro wins if he can handle the cut to 155
Boetsch wins - I'm basing this only on his IFL fight
I have a feeling Terry Martin wins

[Tuco]

My guess is that Brock beats Mir. I base that on that I don't think Mir is training very hard (from what I've seen, who knows for sure), what I've heard from Lesnar's training camp and that I think the UFC wouldn't give him the fight unless they thought he would win.

But it's very very possible Mir can submit him after the take down, and that Mir will be able to outbox Lesnar standing up.

[Haalen]

Originally Posted by Tuco

My guess is that Brock beats Mir. I base that on that I don't think Mir is training very hard (from what I've seen, who knows for sure), what I've heard from Lesnar's training camp and that I think the UFC wouldn't give him the fight unless they thought he would win.

This is somewhat plausible. Mir always seemed to be a bit overhyped to me. Back when he had the title people were talking about him taking on Fedor. His ground game is good, but his stamina is awful. Of all the recent UFC heavyweight champs, Mir is the most likely to lose to Lesnar.

[huh]

Ill write this down just so I can look back and see how wrong my picks where.

Tim Sylvia vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Frank Mir vs Brock Lesnar
Jeremy Horn vs Nate Marquardt
Ricardo Almeida vs Rob Yundt
Gleison Tibau vs Tyson Griffin

Kyle Bradley vs Chris Lytle
Tim Boetsch vs David Heath
Marvin Eastman vs Terry Martin
Keita Nakamura vs Robert Emerson

[Grimmlokk]

Other than Eastman beating Martin I agree with all of huh's picks. I think Mir will actually step up now that he's finally in the spotlight again. He looked almost vintage in his last match, and now he's going against a newbie. I don't expect an easy win, but I think he'll manage the sub in the 1st after taking a few hits. Although I just checked the weigh-ins and he's up to 255....he doesn't look tubby, but not as cut as usual. All meaning if he doesn't get the sub early he's probably fucked=/

I just can't possibly bring myself to go against Nog in a fight with Tim Fucking Sylvia. The second best heavyweight in the world for the past 6-7 years vs. The Sloth? And it's not a match up where Sylvia can just use his size. Nog is fucking *strong*, and pretty big himself. Add in the fact he has some pretty slick boxing and even a passable dirty boxing game now(worked for Randy!) and I think Sylvia is fucked. It's not like he's Monson who is 5'9 and 215, he won't be outweighed by 50lbs, it's closer to 20. He should be able to get Tim down with a body lock during one of the leanfests, he won't be stuck going for outside shots for double legs. Also, Tim looked very nervous against Randy, his first truly HUGE match against a true top-5 HW. Well, Nog definitely fits that bill and if Tim was nervous against Randy he should probably be nervous against Nog.
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So, I get being upset that the UFC didn't take the Fedor 1 fight deal, but from their perspective it was a good business decision. It's been covered here before but I will reiterate. If Fedor comes in and wins/obliterates Randy, it makes their belt and claims to being the top organization look laughable. While at the same time legitimizing a competing organization in the eyes of their fans, which they would never do when you consider no one besides Rogan will even acknowledge that there are other orgs. It would also make people, mainly casual fans, question *all* their belt holders. Now, if Randy pulled off the upset it would be pretty big, though not exactly to the casual fan. Who is their bread and butter market right now. So it would be a huge risk for them to take, and at best a 50/50 proposition for it working out in their favor.

So, it sucks a lot they won't do it. But viewed from their perspective as a business decision, it makes sense.

Of course there's still the possibility that they will wait until July when Randy can maybe get out of his contract, then set up a superfight. Would let them maximize use of a contract they are likely to lose, and it would keep him under their banner for a few extra months. Promote the fuck out of it and call it Randy's final fight etc etc. Then if he loses, well he was on the way out the door anyways. And if he wins, holy fuck he really IS Rocky!




EDIT:

Shogun signed to fight Liddell. Confirmed by Rua. MMA Weekly says sources put it at May or June, likely June 14th in England.

[homsar]

Tim Sylvia vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Frank Mir vs Brock Lesnar
Jeremy Horn vs Nate Marquardt
Ricardo Almeida vs Rob Yundt
Gleison Tibau vs Tyson Griffin
Kyle Bradley vs Chris Lytle
Tim Boetsch vs David Heath
Marvin Eastman vs Terry Martin
Keita Nakamura vs Robert Emerson

I have that feeling im going to get detroyed

[Grimmlokk]

Oh and I hope Rob Emerson gets his fucking throat stomped. He used to be part of a rich white kid "gang" that would beat the shit out of random people for fun. So yea, pain and humiliation on him would be swell. Even if it was 8 years ago=P

[Tuco]

So, I get being upset that the UFC didn't take the Fedor 1 fight deal, but from their perspective it was a good business decision. It's been covered here before but I will reiterate. If Fedor comes in and wins/obliterates Randy, it makes their belt and claims to being the top organization look laughable. While at the same time legitimizing a competing organization in the eyes of their fans, which they would never do when you consider no one besides Rogan will even acknowledge that there are other orgs. It would also make people, mainly casual fans, question *all* their belt holders. Now, if Randy pulled off the upset it would be pretty big, though not exactly to the casual fan. Who is their bread and butter market right now. So it would be a huge risk for them to take, and at best a 50/50 proposition for it working out in their favor.

So, it sucks a lot they won't do it. But viewed from their perspective as a business decision, it makes sense.

Of course there's still the possibility that they will wait until July when Randy can maybe get out of his contract, then set up a superfight. Would let them maximize use of a contract they are likely to lose, and it would keep him under their banner for a few extra months. Promote the fuck out of it and call it Randy's final fight etc etc. Then if he loses, well he was on the way out the door anyways. And if he wins, holy fuck he really IS Rocky!

I think another aspect to note is that if the Randy vs. Fedor fight is a good fight that makes Fedor look like the fantastic fighter he is, then fans will be interested in watching him fight in whatever arena he is in.

So really, the only way that UFC would benefit from the fight would be if Couture made Fedor look like a terrible fighter. Which, well, isn't going to happen.

It's unfortunate that the primary MMA organization is so negligent to the quality of the fights and so focused on their own personal well being. I think everyone can agree it would have been better for MMA as a whole to have Fedor vs. Randy, even if UFC lost a slight position on their height above other organizations.