The MMA thread

[huh]

The Yamma will solve all our cage vs ring problems.

[Araxen]

Being able to pin people up against the cage is a big advantage to wrestlers in the Cage. You can't do that shit in a Ring. Rings are more favorable to BJJ, Cages = wrestlers, imo.

I do think though the smart BJJ guys will figure out to go immediately to guard in the middle of the cage instead of fighting off the takedown and end up pinned up against the cage. Good BJJ guys shouldn't be afraid to drop to guard immediately. There are still adjustments going to be made all the time. Full Mount used to be a i-win button position, but really in most fights now it's easily negated now with a hip flip and such. Same with guys giving up their back, it used to be a certain loss if you gave up your back, but now you see guys all the time giving up their back and coming out with wins.

MMA is always evolving and I'm sure the BJJ's guys will adapt soon enough to the cage. It's one of the great things about the sport.

[jayrebb]

Yeah but what exactly is a good BJJ guy? Dropping to guard immediately all the time would just result in you losing the fight, or being stood back up multiple times by the referee. See Werdum arlovski for results of dropping back to guard.

You can have the best hips in the world, you still can't force a submission off your back. Working off your back requires the idiot on top of you to make a mistake with this weight distribution/limb extension. So dropping to guard as a rule of thumb makes even less sense.

[Araxen]

A good BJJ guy isn't afraid to lose position and will take risks to score a sub. Most BJJ fighters in UFC are afraid to take those risks.

[jayrebb]

Good BJJ takes place at lightweight certainly. I think 90% of the LW fights in the past year have had exciting scrambles and multiple sub attempts.

Heavyweight BJJ is a real snoozer because the guys are too big and not flexible and agile enough to even give up a position to go for a sub. Physically impossible.

[Celebrindal]

Learn Rubber Guard.

[jayrebb]

Looks like the wars have finally caught up to Nog. Even if he pulls off a win, just look at the slack nerves in his eyes.

The interviewer sucks fyi. Sounds like an amateur condescending idiot. PROTIP: theres no language barrier, Nog understands you moron.

I actually think Nog's physical appearance in this video has a lot to do with the interviewer. Nog's bodylanguage says get me the fuck out of here.

[huh]

Nog and his brother look rough, it's hard to believe he's only 31.

Here's a Lesnar interview. Without all the stupid fight hype he actually comes off as a pretty decent guy.

[jayrebb]

Wow good to hear an explanation on the sword chest tattoo.

I can respect it now. I hope he didn't make that reason up after the fact.

Also good to hear that hes still coming in at 280+ easily even off the roids.

[Grimmlokk]

Well he did make 265 or 264 for that K-1 fight he did in Cali, so it's not a new thing I guess.

I've seen a few people speculating about Nog's eye looking worse, really hope it doesn't effect his fighting. He's always been ugly as fuck, but the eye and the missing hunk of back have never effected his fighting before.

Tim Sylvia thinks Mir will run right through Lesnar. He said when Lesnar trained in Iowa with them he was a primadonna. Has no skill with kicks and no hands. Basically horrible stand up. Of course I believe that was almost 2 years ago now, so who knows. And also they weren't allowed to kick him in sparring.

Finally, cage vs. ring has been covered here. Citing the fact Liddell lost in the ring is.....well typical for you I guess. Considering he lost to the EXACT SAME OPPONENT in the cage, and even faster. If 2 guys decide to stand up and trade, the ring or cage matter little.

That said, the cage certainly favors whoever is in ground control a lot more than the ring did, be they a wrestler or a BJJ guy. I dislike snoozefest cage grinding ground fights as much as anyone else, but not nearly as much as I fucking loathe the restarts in the middle of the ring from Pride/whatever. The ring is perfect for stand up fighting, but nothing breaks the flow of a good ground fight like making both guys stand up and go back to the "same" position in the middle of the ring.

And yeah, it would be pretty awesome to see some bigger guys with serious BJJ games. Anyone remember Brad Imes from TUF season 2? Lost to Rashad Evans at HW in the final. 6'7", 260lbs. Well, he won 2 fights in a row last year(within 40 days) via Gogoplata. Now there's something you don't see or expect from the big guys often=D Now if Zulu can just master that flying armbar......

[Disp]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Looks like the wars have finally caught up to Nog. Even if he pulls off a win, just look at the slack nerves in his eyes.

The interviewer sucks fyi. Sounds like an amateur condescending idiot. PROTIP: theres no language barrier, Nog understands you moron.

I actually think Nog's physical appearance in this video has a lot to do with the interviewer. Nog's bodylanguage says get me the fuck out of here.

That was the most unbearable interview I've ever seen in my life. I had to turn it off about 1/8 of the way into it because I swore if I heard that interviewer say "um" or "you know" one more time I'd punch myself in the face. Really wish I coulda watched it all the way through.

P.S. Hope Lesnar does well this fight. Will be fun watching him.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by Grimmlokk

but not nearly as much as I fucking loathe the restarts in the middle of the ring from Pride/whatever. The ring is perfect for stand up fighting, but nothing breaks the flow of a good ground fight like making both guys stand up and go back to the "same" position in the middle of the ring.

Disagree. It added more excitement when the referees would exercise their interference on a whim. If the guy that was supposed to lose was getting beaten outside of the ropes on the ground, yuji would let it ride. If the "winner" was getting beaten down outside the ropes, instant restart would occur in the center, taking EXTRA slow time and pretending to talk to the fighter for 4-5 seconds to buy more recovery time. It was different for every event, so it kept you guessing as to who was going to get the ref's favor. I call that interesting.

Also if the winner was winning, they would let the loser take massive damage before stopping the fight. Trying to decipher the obvious special instructions the ref was given made Pride a lot more interesting. like "Make sure Don Frye takes a big beating from James Thompson", "let Sakauraba die in the ring", "dont let Quinton put Wanderlei on his back", "ignore violent illegal rope-grabbing stomps from Wanderlei".

If your just watching for the legitimate competition, then I guess I can see how you hate it. To me, Pride was true full-contact sports entertainment.

[Grimmlokk]

Wow.

EDIT:

Special video for Darph =D

[jayrebb]

Yeah I know its tough to believe that Pride was not real MMA.

Athletic commission? nope.

Steroid testing? nope.

Narcotic testing? nope.

Required to make weight? nope.

Real referees and judges? nope, they don't answer to anyone except the organization (promoter) that PAYS them.

Attempts at fixing fights? Yes.

Put on fixed fights? Yes.

Thrown fights? Yes, Mark Coleman threw 2 fights. Quinton Jackson was asked to throw a fight against Sakuraba. God only knows who else threw a fight. Pride called it "bonus for losing"

Hello sports entertainment.

[Grimmlokk]

So Affliction has a special limited edition Brock Lesnar inspired shirt they're putting out. It's pretty sweet.