The MMA thread

[Grimmlokk]

Seriously, what the fuck is the Hardonk dicksucking based on? You rip CC who has wins over tons of serious fighters. Barnett, Coleman, Randleman, Wandy, Vovchanchyn, Herring, Aleks, Saku, though that was an injury stoppage if I recall. And you tout Hardonk whose biggest win is over Wes fucking Sims? I like Hardonk, I want to see him fight more and succeed, but as far as I can tell you base all this love off one 17 second fight against a fucking scrub. Did you not see him get dominated by Justin "The Human Blanket" McCully? The most boring fight in the history of boring fights.

And why is it that Nog can't possibly finish Sylvia or win a decision? He's not going to be massivly outsized like everyone else, Vera included. He's got better stand up(though lacking power) and a(much much much much) better ground game. You seem to be basing your opinion entirely on the fact that Tim Sylia is really good at leaning forward.

You're posts are absolutely baffling. You go from making sense and having good points to absolute unbridled lunacy from one sentence to the next. It's like 2 totally different people contributing to each post with zero editting. Are you bipolar?


edit: Also, Nate Diaz looked really good last night. I'm really starting to like watching him fight, I just wish they'd keep the microphone the fuck away from him.

[Kindnugs]

Originally Posted by Grimmlokk

You're posts are absolutely baffling. You go from making sense and having good points to absolute unbridled lunacy from one sentence to the next. It's like 2 totally different people contributing to each post with zero editting. Are you bipolar?

/nod

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by Grimmlokk

You're posts are absolutely baffling. You go from making sense and having good points to absolute unbridled lunacy from one sentence to the next. It's like 2 totally different people contributing to each post with zero editting. Are you bipolar?

Why, because you are upset that Hardonk is the only heavyweight striker that is actually hurting people? Thats a fact. Think REAL hard how long its been since a heavyweight has thrown a strike worth a shit? 1 year? almost 2 years? If anyone can save us from the stand up and hug matches, its Hardonk. Like I said he needs more cross training, he needs to get out of Ernesto's camp.

Nog is 235 or so, Vera is only 10 pounds less as far as I know. Nog also gained some fat since Pride, you saw the weigh-ins last fight.

Sylvia is just that tall. Unless Dana White has pressure on him to make this fight "exciting", then Sylvia wins all day. But I do figure Sylvia has pressure on him to "let his hands go" so alright, Ill give nog a little chance. But its only because Sylvia will take bad advice and risk losing the fight for excitement. Why do you think Sylvia was calling the stand-n-stall protege Kongo out? Because Sylvia knows Kongo can be bullied by him in the stall. You think Nog will fair better than Kongo? Sylvia doesn't think so.

Also one thing you forgot, Sylvia had surgery on his back. Hes going to be 100% this time. He fought Couture and Vera with back problems.

[homsar]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Nobody is ever at 100%.

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Also one thing you forgot, Sylvia had surgery on his back. Hes going to be 100% this time.

WUT?

Really dont care if there is a knockout or any of that shit. I just like to watch for the skill and game plans fighters layout. Rather then bashing fighters that LnP or whatever how about bashing the fighters that couldnt come in with a better game plan.

[Grimmlokk]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Why, because you are upset that Hardonk is the only heavyweight striker that is actually hurting people?

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Why would I be upset? Are you theorizing that I am mad at a fighter I like, for being able to knock people out?

What I said, for the third time, if you are basing all your rah rah rah Hardonkery on one fight. Against a scrub with no chin. That ended in one punch.

Also, Aleks, Junior Silva, and Ben Rothwell also hurt people. Except they don't wait a year+ between doing it. And more than twice in their careers to date. We just need to see more of Hardonk before declaring him the second coming is what I'm getting at. You're basically doing with him what you knocked other people for doing with Soko.

Cart goes here ----------- Horse goes here.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by homsar

R\Rather then bashing fighters that LnP or whatever how about bashing the fighters that couldnt come in with a better game plan.

Because that is just silly. There is nothing anyone can do against a strong wrestler. If you told Spencer Fisher "get a better gameplan next time" after Edgar laid on him for 3 rounds you would probably get attacked. You hear that word get tossed around like nothing in the UFC, but in reality, a true elite wrestler is taking you down no matter what if he wants to, Spencer even said there is nothing you can do about it. You might stuff an attempt, maybe even 3 attempts, but eventually when you try to strike, your going down.

Its a lose-lose situation for stand-up guys. They can't get comfortable on the feet because they are under constant threat of takedown. This is why I hate wrestlers. Especially liars like Josh Burkman that say they are going to stand, then make 20 takedown attempts.

The only example of a guy mixing both sprawl and elite striking is Mirko in his Pride prime. Was it just athleticism, good mental state, or learned skill, who knows. I think the reason why Crocop was able to mix the two in Pride is because people were afraid of him. He had this dread around him that people got sucked into. So he would stuff a takedown, then the guy would be like "shit now im going to just get knocked out" and panic, get backed into a corner, and get executed.

[homsar]

Its MMA... All forms of combat, if you cant handle going up against a strong wrestler then you deserve to lose. Not like Gracie or severn were ever entertaining during the early years.

[Grimmlokk]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

The only example of a guy mixing both sprawl and elite striking is Mirko in his Pride prime.

Chuck Liddell managed both for awhile. And GSP is looking like he'll be a great example of it for years to come. Buty eah, few and far between.

[homsar]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Because that is just silly. There is nothing anyone can do against a strong wrestler. If you told Spencer Fisher "get a better gameplan next time" after Edgar laid on him for 3 rounds you would probably get attacked. You hear that word get tossed around like nothing in the UFC, but in reality, a true elite wrestler is taking you down no matter what if he wants to, Spencer even said there is nothing you can do about it. You might stuff an attempt, maybe even 3 attempts, but eventually when you try to strike, your going down.
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So LIddell cant strike with wrestlers??? ok got you. Even Soko tooled Arona. But then again you will just say he was sick

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by homsar

So LIddell cant strike with wrestlers??? ok got you. Even Soko tooled Arona. But then again you will just say he was sick

Liddell is different. He doesn't care about getting hit, so it allows him to have a different stance. Some fights he WANTS to get hit. Its part of his gameplan as a counter puncher. So comparing liddell to other strikers doesn't really work.

And yeah, Arona was seriously sick. You can't say he tooled him unless they rematch. Which is unlikely because the UFC doesn't want more brazilians winning. From what I heard a while back they won't even throw Arona an offer. After seeing the exposure of Soko in the Machida fight, I don't doubt Arona would dominate Soko in the cage.

[homsar]

That entire theory is just bullshit. Wrestlers lose to strikers all the time, it has nothing to do with being sick or being 1 out of a million fighters that can actualy mix sprawl and striking. It's whoever fought better, plain and simple.

[Ameraves Loyalheart]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Which is unlikely because the UFC doesn't want more brazilians winning.

Wait, what?

[homsar]

Yeah, not like they didnt give GG a title shot just recently, Hyping Thiago more and more, Made a match with Machida vs tito(one of the biggest names in the UFC), or recently signed Wandy(Fought the UFC's biggest star 3 weeks ago), Nog (about to fight Sylvia for the title), Werdum(Just fought ex Heavyweight champ), and a bunch of other brazillians.

Quit posting dumb shit.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by homsar

Yeah, not like they didnt give GG a title shot just recently, Hyping Thiago more and more, Made a match with Machida vs tito(one of the biggest names in the UFC), or recently signed Wandy(Fought the UFC's biggest star 3 weeks ago), Nog (about to fight Sylvia for the title), Werdum(Just fought ex Heavyweight champ), and a bunch of other brazillians.

Quit posting dumb shit.

Haha, ask Arona about the "offers" from the UFC.

Check the pay per view numbers from 2007, they declined.

They want international talent, but they want domestic champions. Arona is a big risk and he even called Dana White out on that. He said the UFC is afraid of him moving up too quickly because he is built for the cage. Paulo Filho said the same thing, that they don't want brazilians winning.

[homsar]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Haha, ask Arona about the "offers" from the UFC.

Check the pay per view numbers from 2007, they declined.

They want international talent, but they want domestic champions. Arona is a big risk and he even called Dana White out on that. He said the UFC is afraid of him moving up too quickly because he is built for the cage. Paulo Filho said the same thing, that they don't want brazilians winning.

The ufc had less then a 5% drop in PPV sells thats all. You dont think that might have been affected by them branching out overseas and giving us the events free in the US??? Doesnt matter what country the champ is from.

UFC 67 - Silva v. Lutter - 400,000

UFC 57 - Liddell v. Couture - 400,000

Wait am I reading that right??? Anderson Silva vs Travis lutter... sold just as many PPV as the 2 biggest names in the UFC? Yeah, the brazillians really screw Zuffa over.