The MMA thread

[Gilgamel]

No, you have to not be lazy to train for stamina. It's just a willingness to put in the work. Plenty of people with a fighter's spirit and a fighter's attitude don't put in the monotonous work that comes with good cardio. Look at any number of guys who are successful but whose major negative has always been their cardio. But these guys are still successful because on fight night they show up ready to hurt someone.

Don't let your instructor fool you, being a mean son of a bitch matters. You can train to improve your stamina, but no amount of training will make someone have that killer instinct. Life is the only thing that can do that. There are plenty of guys with all the cardio and training in the world who just can't fight.

[Lyrical]

Originally Posted by Gilgamel

But these guys are still successful because on fight night they show up ready to hurt someone.

You are arguing my point for me. A fighter needs the "mental toughness" to show up ready for the fight, and show a killer instinct.

[Jozu]

Originally Posted by Gilgamel

No, you have to not be lazy to train for stamina. It's just a willingness to put in the work. Plenty of people with a fighter's spirit and a fighter's attitude don't put in the monotonous work that comes with good cardio. Look at any number of guys who are successful but whose major negative has always been their cardio. But these guys are still successful because on fight night they show up ready to hurt someone.

Don't let your instructor fool you, being a mean son of a bitch matters. You can train to improve your stamina, but no amount of training will make someone have that killer instinct. Life is the only thing that can do that. There are plenty of guys with all the cardio and training in the world who just can't fight.

That's all fine and well, but I wouldnt call Mitrione a "mean son of a bitch", not in that fight anyway. His opposition was TERRIBLE. He was the true definition of a tomato can, and if Mitrione fought someone with a pulse he would have got snuffed.

[jayrebb]

CageReport.net - Lyoto Machida to undergo hand surgery, Rua rematch postponed

Rothwell almost bashing Cain but stopping short and then gives him some praise, focuses outrage on the reffing. Hes correct, he was improving his position when the fight was stopped.

Cain's nickname isn't "pillowhands" for nothing. You heard it from the man himself, Rothwell was not getting hurt at all. Zero damage, slept fine, woke up with no evidence of a UFC debut.

[Gilgamel]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

CageReport.net - Lyoto Machida to undergo hand surgery, Rua rematch postponed

Rothwell almost bashing Cain but stopping short and then gives him some praise, focuses outrage on the reffing. Hes correct, he was improving his position when the fight was stopped.

Cain's nickname isn't "pillowhands" for nothing. You heard it from the man himself, Rothwell was not getting hurt at all. Zero damage, slept fine, woke up with no evidence of a UFC debut.

Well maybe Ben should consider avoiding some of those shots and doing something remotely offensive rather than getting punched in the face and falling down repeatedly, be it from a pillowshot or a takedown. Ben should shut the fuck up and learn to wrestle. I can't believe so many people on here were so high on him.

[Tuco]

Originally Posted by Lyrical

Answer:



This is an axiom that's been in martial arts for thousands of years, the goal is a unified mind-body-spirit. If one pillar is missing or weak, the whole is affected. Common sense says that if a guy can't keep his hands up, he wasn't there mentally. He should have made intelligent changes while he was in training camp. But since he wasn't mentally adroit enough to realize he has a problem, he hasn't trained to keep his hands up, and he now comes into a fight where he is now physically unable to do so. The belief in martial arts is that if one pillar is weak, every other pillar is weaker.

But I am not sure this board is a great place to discuss martial arts philosophy.

I think you're over complicating things, or rather looking at it very differently from how I am.

I could see Mitrione training hard over the next few months and getting his conditioning up a lot, and without working his skill he would be a much greater fighter because of it. In this case I don't think his mental game would have changed much, but in the way you're explaining it, because he prepared his mental game changed dramatically.

Meh.

[Lyrical]

Originally Posted by Tuco

I think you're over complicating things, or rather looking at it very differently from how I am.

I could see Mitrione training hard over the next few months and getting his conditioning up a lot, and without working his skill he would be a much greater fighter because of it. In this case I don't think his mental game would have changed much, but in the way you're explaining it, because he prepared his mental game changed dramatically.

Meh.

If you guys are going to ignore a belief that's been developed through thousands of years of fighting, there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. I give up.

[Gilgamel]

So what age did you start going to karate classes?

[Lyrical]

Originally Posted by Gilgamel

So what age did you start going to karate classes?

age 25 to present, a little over ten years ago

[arkk123]

Originally Posted by Gilgamel

So what age did you start going to karate classes?

Ahahahahahahah

[Araxen]

Fedor 360 premieres on Showtime tonight 9:30 EST.

[Tuco]

Originally Posted by Lyrical

If you guys are going to ignore a belief that's been developed through thousands of years of fighting, there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. I give up.

I think it's more of a difference of definitions than disagreements on core ideas.

For me, mental game is: The reactions during the fight and the choices the fighter makes during the fight. Gameplanning would be the mental preparation before the fight and coming up with ways to counter-act the opponents strengths and capitalize on his weaknesses, and training would be the hours spent in the gym working on conditioning and raw skill.

To me those three things are separate of each other and unique, and different fighters have different levels of them, but you're wrapping them all up in one, which is why I think you're disagreeing with me about Mitrione.

[wild_whiskey]

There's a mental game to every sport that's not just related to making decisions and having a plan, but having confidence and adaptability, and in any sport to conquer those issues you have to train specifically for them. I can't imagine it's any different in MMA.

[The Dauntless One]

Fedor is going to lose against Rogers.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by The Dauntless One

Fedor is going to lose against Rogers.

Depends how Rogers handles the clinch.

Based on Rogers past fights, Fedor WILL clinch him. Rogers doesn't have a mental instinct that says "stay out of clinch". Rogers doesn't have a problem clinching at all, he loves his knees.

Im rooting for Rogers to win in an impressive victory (like sprawling a takedown, avoiding a sambo throw, avoiding a trip, accurate standup, etc)

However, reality says that Fedor is going to trip or score a knockdown Zulu style, and obliterate Rogers on the ground. Fedor has an amazing ability to get guys to the ground without shooting in like UFC wrestlers do. Thats the X factor with him, all of a sudden your ass is on the ground and you don't know how. It would be great if Fedor could win with a submission nobody has seen from him yet, like a leg lock, just for showmanship purposes. Actually fuck that I don't wish leglocks on anyone. The dumbass casual fans wouldn't even understand it.