The MMA thread

[Ubiquitrips]

Originally Posted by Ticidious

An increase in size and strength does not directly translate into more effective power punches; look at guys like Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell and Roy Jones Junior for example. Speed plays a HUGE role in the force of a punch as does the ability to pinpoint your strikes to hit spots like the chin or temple. Certain fighters just have the genetics for powerful punches even if they don't necessarily look like it; BJ Penn can jab someone for a couple rounds and turn their face into hamburger when other fighters would have to be landing numerous hammer fists to achieve the same result.

That clicked. For all previous arguments I had not considered the speed aspect of the punch, just raw muscle. I can see where my logic is flawed.

[darkseid]

A hard punch is all about combining speed with kinetic energy. I've seen tiny guys knock huge fuckers out.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by Mimirswell

Potential means very little if the potential of Fedor being knocked out by a head punch from Lesnar is 1 in 10000* since it's unlikely assuming they fight three times in his entire career that the number of head punches he would receive would ever raise that chance above 1%. Sure, the potential is there but it's meaningless as it wouldn't be actualized in a fight is Tuco's point.

*Completely arbitrary stat to prove a point; none of us actually know the likelihood of Lesnar knocking out Fedor/Nog and it could very well be far higher or even lower than the above.

You can't lump Nog and Fedor together in the legendary chin category.

Fujita has accomplished what exactly. He clipped Fedor with a grazing counter shot and rocked him badly. I haven't seen anyone land a bomb on Fedor since then. Fedor just doesn't get hit flush.

I still consider Fedor's chin highly suspect. If Rogers hits him, hes going out.

[Tuco]

Yeah it's tough to say how good Fedor's chin is since that's the only good hit we've ever seen him take. I don't know if I'd call it suspect though.

[column]

Arlovski seemed to be damaging Fedor,but then he jumped in the air and got KTFO

[The Dauntless One]

I remember reading doubling the strength you get 2x the power and if you double the speed you get 4x the power. Speed is much more important that strength.

[Tuco]

Fedor was in no danger that fight nor did he take any damage.

[darkseid]

Yea, people keep thinking Fedor was in danger, but Arlovski didn't land 1 proper punch, they were all glancing blows.

[Jozu]

Originally Posted by arkk123

I clarified what he said, and then picked apart your retarded, generalized examples.

Dude we fucking get it, you are the know all and end all of all arguments. Your one of those dudes who escapade around acting like they are an expert in everything. But sadly, your opinions and arguments are no better than anyone elses, I dont give a fuck how much time you put in the gym or how many fucking nutritional books you read.

Take the fucking block off your shoulder already, all you do is shit up threads with your pompous bullshit. Fuck.


Anyone who says that having a chin doesn't matter, is a fucking idiot. Whether its Heavyweights or not, having the threshold to absorb punches during a fight is a factor.

EDIT: And jayrebb made a good point about Fedor. Roy Jones was forever considered the perfect fighter. No one EVER talked about his chin because he was always in a favorable position. But as soon as his reflexes started to deteriorate, and someone hit him flush, he folded like a fucking lawn chair.

[arkk123]

Originally Posted by Jozu

Dude we fucking get it, you are the know all and end all of all arguments. Your one of those dudes who escapade around acting like they are an expert in everything. But sadly, your opinions and arguments are no better than anyone elses, I dont give a fuck how much time you put in the gym or how many fucking nutritional books you read.

Take the fucking block off your shoulder already, all you do is shit up threads with your pompous bullshit. Fuck.


Anyone who says that having a chin doesn't matter, is a fucking idiot. Whether its Heavyweights or not, having the threshold to absorb punches during a fight is a factor.

EDIT: And jayrebb made a good point about Fedor. Roy Jones was forever considered the perfect fighter. No one EVER talked about his chin because he was always in a favorable position. But as soon as his reflexes started to deteriorate, and someone hit him flush, he folded like a fucking lawn chair.

Jesus christ, u musta spit muscle milk all over your affliction shirt as you were furiously clicking away at that gem of a post.

Excellent contribution! Hahaha

[Lonin]

Not to derail your guys' awesome discussion, but I just watched the Gonzaga/Tuscherer fight, and I really don't see what the big fuss is about. The kick was pretty clearly accidental, and Tuscherer and his corner had every opportunity to stop the fight and win by DQ. If anything, I blame the medical staff for not calling it when he started dry heaving.

As for the punches to the back of the head, I only saw one solid punch to the back of the head, the other 3 to 4 were the typical glancing side shots that always happen in that position.

[Tuco]

I think the only people to blame are the medical staff really if you think the fight should be stopped.

The fighters will almost always continue if they can stand (and sometimes when they can't...)

The refs can and should defer to the medical staff.

The rules state that no coaching should be done during their rest period (Thus Lesnar or Tuscherer's other coaches couldn't come in and get any information to call the fight).

The medical staff has to say whether or not the fighter should continue.

Were they wrong? I don't know. I don't know if he sustained any serious injuries and I don't think that fight necessarily hurts his career BECAUSE of the nut shot. He'll probably get another fight on the undercard, and hopefully not against someone of Gonzaga's caliber.

What this really does is reinforce the idea that if you want to win a fight, just do kicks to the inside thigh until you get lucky and 'accidently' kick him in the nuts, or jab at him with your finger out-stretched. It's okay if you get a point taken away, because they won't stop the fight and if you're quick enough and have mirgliotta or mazagotti as your ref you can probably just beat them while they're screaming for the ref to stop the fight.





I'm not sure what the solution to that is really. Kicks/knees to the leg/torso are very valid but risk getting the nuts, fighters sometimes have to keep their hands open and they have to strike the head, risking eye pokes.

[Lonin]

I agree with all that. It's not as simple as just automatically taking a point though like JayRebb seems to think. That will just create a chilling effect on two totally valid aspects of the game in kneeing and leg kicks. Maybe there should be more protection in the region? Is there anything else more effective than just a cup?

As for eye pokes, that's another one that's hard to stop. Would make the gloves more like mittens be an option? Basically take the gloves as they are now, and add a light stretchable fabric over the fingers. I can't think of any major side effects of this that couldn't be resolved with proper testing. It wouldn't stop thumbs going in the eye, but at least you'd cut the fingers out of the equation.

[Tortfeasor]

Love pics of punch force moving people's faces to the wrong side of their head.

[Tuco]

Report takes on Machida and Rua.