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[Jozu]

Originally Posted by arkk123

I did. You are the one that is spouting it, not me. It doesn't take that long to bounce back from dehydration.

Yeah, because I just like to make stuff up.

Here is an excerpt from an article by Katrina Belcher.

"So pretty much the study found that rapid body mass loss on an athlete can greatly reduce the torque of a fighter’s knee extensor muscles – which means kicking can be a problem. Bummer for Muay Thai and karateka fighters - pretty much takes away one of their most effective tools. RBML can also cause muscle deterioration and severe dehydration. Sever dehydration can have adverse affects on the brain such as cell death and seizures. In fact, researchers in England concluded that dehydration causes a reduction of fluid in the brain compartments – so much so that sportsmen and women are at increased risk of brain damage from contusion injury (bruising) and internal hemorrhage after head injuries. Hmmm – wonder if the head ever gets hit in MMA? Yeah – exactly."

Here is the link of the whole article. MMA Ratings: Rapid Weight Loss in Pro-Athletes is No Joke

It isnt gospel, but there has been research on it, I didnt just pull this shit out of my ass.

[arkk123]

And for the 3rd time I'll say the exact same thing, in an even more dumbed down manner in hopes that you will get what I am saying.

Forrest makes weight at 4pm on Friday.
He steps into the ring around 11pm or 12am Saturday.

You do not believe that MAYBE, SOMEHOW, POSSIBLY he managed to drink JUST A LITTLE BIT of water and rehydrate SOMEWHAT in a 30+ hour period?

No one is arguing that the shitty article you linked may be right. I am saying that even if that were the case, it isn't applicable. He didn't step off the scale and into the ring.

edit: nice fucking flow chart you nerd. lmao

[Jozu]

I never even said that this happened to Forrest Saturday night, I said it might have had an impact, either that or he was shook before the fight and folded mentally.

But I forgot your a fitness guru, so yeah, anyone who doesn't take your advice must be wrong!

And that chart was from the article dipshit. I didnt make that shit up.

[arkk123]

Originally Posted by Jozu

I never even said that this happened to Forrest Saturday night, I said it might have had an impact, either that or he was shook before the fight and folded mentally.

Originally Posted by Jozu

He looked like a guy who cut hard, and lost a lot of fluid in the process of making weight. Not only do you lose fluid in your body, but you lose the fluid that coushon's your brain inside your skull. THats the only explination as to why he was so badly rattled.

Haha tell us what you said exactly then? You are the one who brought this up, not anyone else.

[Jozu]

Then I went on to say it was either that or he folded mentally a coupel of posts later. Fuck, is this issue really that important to you? Do you have an explination as to why Forrest got crumpled up like he was starring on Broadway?

Ive said multiple times I could be wrong. And if I am, then fuck it. But all I did was bring up the possibility. And by the way the post you highlighted WAS MY OPINION.

[Tuco]

Cutting too much weight can be detrimental to a fighter. Fighters perform less than they nomrally would all the time because they can't re-hydrate well enough before the fight.

I doubt this happened to Forrest though. It could, but a lot of times when a fighter gets a 'biggest fight of their life' kind of fight they do a much better job cutting and don't have to push it the last couple days.

[arkk123]

Originally Posted by Jozu

Then I went on to say it was either that or he folded mentally a coupel of posts later. Fuck, is this issue really that important to you? Do you have an explination as to why Forrest got crumpled up like he was starring on Broadway?

Ive said multiple times I could be wrong. And if I am, then fuck it. But all I did was bring up the possibility. And by the way the post you highlighted WAS MY OPINION.

Are you gonna cry now because you are wrong? Dehydration takes a couple hours to recover from, not nearly 2 days. Nearly every fighter does what Forrest did for the fight and no one screams "AH MA GADZ ZE BRAINZ 'COUSHON'ING WUZ GONE".

I watched the fight. I thought it was pretty simple. Silva is a world class striker, Forrest isn't. Silva is fast, Forrest isn't as fast. Silva is accurate, Forrest isn't as accurate. He got his ass kicked, it happens. He was just outclassed.

[darkseid]

Gonna be fun, if Mariusz Pudzianowski competes in MMA. He trained boxing for 7 years and was boxing as a professional, so I'm sure he's gonna be competent standing up.

[Jozu]

Originally Posted by arkk123

Are you gonna cry now because you are wrong? Dehydration takes a couple hours to recover from, not nearly 2 days. Nearly every fighter does what Forrest did for the fight and no one screams "AH MA GADZ ZE BRAINZ 'COUSHON'ING WUZ GONE".

I watched the fight. I thought it was pretty simple. Silva is a world class striker, Forrest isn't. Silva is fast, Forrest isn't as fast. Silva is accurate, Forrest isn't as accurate. He got his ass kicked, it happens. He was just outclassed.

Guess what, unlike you I dont care if im wrong.

And the "BRAINZ COUSHONING WUZ GONE LULZ" hapenned to Miguel Cotto on several occasions. He used to get wobbled all the time, and as soon as he went to welterweight his chin was sewn up. Coincidence? Maybe. But like I said, people wouldnt be doing research on it if people in the know didnt think it was an issue. Cotto's weight training regiments were well documented, you think he wasnt smart enough to "rehydrate overnight"?

And I'll say it again, after watching Forrest fight guys like Rampage, and see what kind of performances he put on there, and then seeing how he got treated on Saturday night, Im not sure that was the "real griffin out there. I dont think that same result happens 5 times out of 5. Him having a better gameplan would change a lot.

[arkk123]

Originally Posted by Jozu

Guess what, unlike you I dont care if im wrong.

Then why do you keep responding?

Just drop it, you are wrong. It is okay.

And I don't really know what Miguel Cotto fights you have been watching, but his chin still ain't sewn up. His heart is huge yes, but you act like he don't get wobbled. It happens all the fucking time. They gave that Clottey fight to him, and I love Miguel Cotto, but he lost. He was rocked in that fight numerous times. What does Cotto's weight training "regiments"(your spelling is god awful) have anything to do with putting water back on?

edit: Whatever happened to the saying that Mike Tyson popularized?

"Everyone has a gameplan until they get punched in the face"

Why can't it be the case that Forrest just got beat? Sometimes you are just outclassed.

[gavinrad]

I'm penalizing you a point for the round for resorting to the 'you misspelled regimen' comment.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by gavinrad

I'm penalizing you a point for the round for resorting to the 'you misspelled regimen' comment.

Penalty sustained.

[Jooka]

got a link to the whole silva/griffin fight? Im still yet to see the whole fight yet. not really interested in getting the entire show at this point.

[Mimirswell]

Forrest Griffin vs. Anderson Silva UFC 101 Declaration Video - Fights MMA Video Details

[Jooka]

Thanks, +1. I really didnt see why he went down that last time, it was more of a give up than a knock out for sure. He was clearly out classed from the get go and Silva showed him that, which could explain some things but who knows.