The MMA thread - Page 449

Araxen · 08-10-2009, 07:28 PM

Strikeforce would do well to sign Lashley asap.

arkk123 · 08-10-2009, 07:32 PM

Most of the dudes in WSM are really in shape. They aren't like bodybuilders who can barely walk up the steps without being winded. Look at this pic of Marius, he is a fucking beast. None of this means he can fight but he is a big big man...and he is going to run into the same problem as anyone making the transition from anything powerlifting/bodybuilding related, is I don't know what hes going to do without all the drugs, or at least without some of them.

Fedor · 08-10-2009, 08:09 PM

Jozu · 08-10-2009, 08:45 PM

^ LOL

And Ark, it takes longer than one night to regain sufficient fluid on the membrane inside your skull. Again, look it up.

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I also thought his flop/crumple was totally fucking weird. He obviously wasn't out, throwing his leg up like that and then putting up his arms immediately showed that; it's like he just quit. I'm definitely not saying it was a dive, but that's just not Griffin's style at all. He's battled 3-5 rounds with some of the hardest punchers in the game, and he gets hit with 3 hard jabs and he just quits? What the fuck?

Thats what i'm screaming. The knockdowns were so unnatural, and Forrests reaction to being hit was somewhat "theatrical". The only two explanations for this is the weight cutting problems I touched on (could be wrong on this, but Griffin's face looked like a wax figure from Madame Tussaud's at the weigh in), or he psyched himself out, and was defeated mentally, which caused him to fold as soon as Silva touched him.

The cunundrum here is that Anderson is such a sneaky and accurate striker, which makes the whole situation harder to put a finger on. It could have been a combination of factors that all came together and resulted in an embarrasment..... I mean Forrest is supposed to be one of Dana's favorite fighters, someone who he respects. You really think Dana wanted this to happen to Forrest? Something was wrong.

This doesn't happen 5 out of 5 times.

jayrebb · 08-10-2009, 08:51 PM

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RANDOMNEWSANDRUMORSTIME!

Don Frye is out vs King Mo, I think he sprained his mustache. Mark Kerr is stepping in. Ugh.

Also on that same M-1 event there's gonna be a Fedor vs. Mousasi "exhibition sparring match". This is ~2 weeks after Mousasi fight Babalu this Saturday.

Bobby Lashley is finally gonna step up to some serious competition. Next fight is against Ron Waterman! The bout we've all been clamoring for.

Mark Kerr is a tomato can and hes probably going to tap to strikes. At least Fyre would have brought the fight to Mo. Thanks for stepping in though...

Waterman is no joke, that is a huge step up. Thats what Waterman does, is wrestle. And he hurts guys. He TKO's them and submits guys.

Based on what Ive seen from Lashley, ASSUMING Waterman isn't washed up (lol), Waterman by submission. Hes got some big wins and submissions against big names and strong guys.

Waterman also uses steroids, so Lashley won't have the advantage there. Hes going up against a guy whos physically strong and athletic as him, except Waterman has seen it all. Hes going to derail the Lashley hype train. Thats my word.

Araxen · 08-10-2009, 08:58 PM

Yeah...the same thing was said about Lesnar. Lashley is just as athletic as Brock. No reason he won't mow through H2O.

Tuco · 08-10-2009, 09:05 PM

Lashley is not at Brock Lesnar's level in terms of athleticism. At all.

jayrebb · 08-10-2009, 09:07 PM

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Yeah...the same thing was said about Lesnar. Lashley is just as athletic as Brock. No reason he won't mow through H2O.

But it will be because Waterman will look old, no other reason.

When did Lashley ever get mentioned in the same sentence as Brock? Come on now. Lashley has had his fights, showcased nothing but some lay n pray. Brock is on another level, stop comparing them. Brock is breaking orbital bones, TKOing world class champs. Lashley is laying on cans to a decision with some UNIMPRESSIVE takedowns. Lesnar wrestled college at HEAVYWEIGHT. Lashley wrestled college at 179 pounds! Big difference in natural gifts there. Im just reminding you because people seem to think Lashley is the black Lesnar. Its the exact opposite.

Anyone have the recent status on Waterman? I get the feeling hes just looking for a good paycheck. Hes nearly retired. But I swear Lashley would never get past a prime Waterman. Id avatar bet on it if I could find out where Waterman's body and mind are at presently in 2009.

edit: Tuco beat me to it.

Grimmlokk · 08-10-2009, 09:56 PM

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people seem to think Lashley is the black Lesnar. Its the exact opposite

Lesnar is the white Lashley?

Anyways, glad we're back on proper footing with you talking out of your ass again. Not about Lashley/Lesnar, but about Ron Waterman. He's a grinding bodybuilder/power lifter. It will be a wrestling match, and Lashley is a better wrestler. Waterman has always been more of a sideshow than a real contender.

Lashley is supposed to be stepping up in competition, fighting a 43 year old sideshow is not that.

Kindnugs · 08-10-2009, 10:23 PM

wow .. you guys calling griffin out seem to know what its like being in the octagon, cutting weight, and fighting silvia. I never knew wow nerds, like myself, where such fucking maniacs!

Grimmlokk · 08-10-2009, 10:35 PM

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wow .. you guys calling griffin out seem to know what its like being in the octagon, cutting weight, and fighting silvia. I never knew wow nerds, like myself, where such fucking maniacs!

Hey yeah and we're all NFL stars who make movies and music too because no one can criticize anything unless they are a world class professional at that thing right?

ETA til you call someone a nazi? The generic internet argument force is strong with you.

jayrebb · 08-11-2009, 01:51 AM

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Anyways, glad we're back on proper footing with you talking out of your ass again. Not about Lashley/Lesnar, but about Ron Waterman. He's a grinding bodybuilder/power lifter. It will be a wrestling match, and Lashley is a better wrestler. Waterman has always been more of a sideshow than a real contender.

Lashley is supposed to be stepping up in competition, fighting a 43 year old sideshow is not that.

Overboard. Waterman is the toughest competition Lashley will have faced thus far. He is a sideshow, but thats due to his journeyman status.

Lashley hasn't fought anyone. This will be Lashley's first fight against a legitimate world class journeyman who has won and lost in the major leagues of MMA, not a tomato can who has never got big fights (Guida) or a paycheck collector (Sapp).

A win over Waterman would put a big league name on his record. Something Lashley doesn't have right now. Whoever Lashley fights after Waterman will probably get Dana White to stop saying "who?" when ESPN radio asks him about signing Lashley. If Waterman was 30 years old it would probably be enough to get Dana interested. Age is going to taint a Lashley victory, if he happens to win. And if he loses, he falls hard.

This is a terrible fight for Lashley now that I think about it. Its one of those lose-lose things about fighting guys past their prime.

column · 08-11-2009, 07:33 AM

Looks like they may be stacking the heavyweight division soon with huge dudes.

The current season of TUF there going to have all extremely large heavyweights possibly to get some competition going for Brock in that division in the future.

arkk123 · 08-11-2009, 09:52 AM

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And Ark, it takes longer than one night to regain sufficient fluid on the membrane inside your skull. Again, look it up.

I did. You are the one that is spouting it, not me. It doesn't take that long to bounce back from dehydration.

Tuco · 08-11-2009, 10:14 AM

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Looks like they may be stacking the heavyweight division soon with huge dudes.

The current season of TUF there going to have all extremely large heavyweights possibly to get some competition going for Brock in that division in the future.

Yeah I'm anticipating some good HW fighters to come out of TUF10. I'm avoiding any information abut it until it airs though.

As to Forrest throwing the fight, I'm not convinced at all that he did. I think he received a flash KO from Silva after being knocked down twice and ran off because he got embarrassed hard.

He and every other smart MMA fight learned a valuable lesson that night: You can't use sloppy brawl striking against a striker of Silva's caliber. Shit, Griffin even said as much before the fight. Maybe the next fight he has he'll worry less on trying to sound as goofy as he can for interviews and worry more about his striking ability.

We can all expect that UFC fighter's striking will keep going up, and this bullshit sloppy striking will no longer have a place at the top.

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08-10-2009, 07:32 PM	#6722 (permalink)
arkk123 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 879 -72 Internets	Most of the dudes in WSM are really in shape. They aren't like bodybuilders who can barely walk up the steps without being winded. Look at this pic of Marius, he is a fucking beast. None of this means he can fight but he is a big big man...and he is going to run into the same problem as anyone making the transition from anything powerlifting/bodybuilding related, is I don't know what hes going to do without all the drugs, or at least without some of them.

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Tuco Forum Janitor Join Date: May 2002 Location: Detroit Posts: 10,721 +75 Internets	Lashley is not at Brock Lesnar's level in terms of athleticism. At all.