The MMA thread - Page 200

Lenas · 08-18-2008, 08:35 PM

Lol, funny seeing LT with Kimbo and then I look over to my TV and see him selling a spa for a local company.

homsar · 08-18-2008, 09:12 PM

Really sucks that Kimbo is the face of MMA. How long do people think it will be until MMA is in the olympics??

Araxen · 08-18-2008, 09:35 PM

never...it's not possible. You see all that headgear and shit they make them wear in boxing...imagine the shit they'll make them wear in the Olympics for MMA. I could see BJJ eventually, but not pure MMA.

Darph · 08-18-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Araxen

never...it's not possible. You see all that headgear and shit they make them wear in boxing...imagine the shit they'll make them wear in the Olympics for MMA. I could see BJJ eventually, but not pure MMA.

They won't ever do "BJJ." They already have Judo for a gi based grappling sport.

They have discussed doing "No-Gi Submission Grappling" however, but they won't call it BJJ. America already dominated the FILA world grappling championships, taking gold medal in EVERY SINGLE DIVISION, and America will dominate the Olympics in this sport as well.

Source:

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If they ever do "MMA" it would probably look more like "Combat Sambo."

YouTube - Fedor vs Ivanov - Final - Russian President Sambo Cup 2008

Tuco · 08-19-2008, 05:23 AM

Not sure how they'd do a weeklong tournament in MMA without ruining it tbh.

I personally wouldn't mind if it was, well, like Bloodsport, but I doubt that'd attract the top competitors and it wouldn't really be fair. The guy who got a lucky knockout in round one would have a huge advantage over the guy who had to fight a slobberknocker with a Mark Hunt or a Jon Fitch.

huh · 08-19-2008, 06:54 AM

They should of brought back Pankration in the Athens Olympics when they had the chance.

I'd love to see MMA in the Olympics but they would probably neuter it pretty bad. I wonder what the injury rate is like for Combat Sambo tourneys. Last thing you would want is to see someone like Steve Jennum come in a win gold.

homsar · 08-19-2008, 11:00 PM

All this talk about GSP vs Silva is getting old. Who else thinks Pierre couldnt even make it past franklin at 185???

Kindnugs · 08-20-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by homsar

All this talk about GSP vs Silva is getting old. Who else thinks Pierre couldnt even make it past franklin at 185???

Now there's a fight I would love to see. Franklin is one those guys I love to watch. Its a shame he couldn't pull off anything against Silva. He used to be the poster boy for the UFC and now he barely gets any press. boooo!

Darph · 08-20-2008, 04:08 PM

I think Franklin would be good if he'd switch his strength training program from bodybuilder bullcrap to a real Power oriented routine. That guy needs to do some Cleans and Sprints.

As for moving up in weight to fight A. Silva, GSP would be really stupid to accept that. Not just because A. Silva has a HUGE height and reach advantage, but because A silva is probably clocking in about 212.

People don't realize how hard it is to pack on good muscle. 15 lbs is a LOT of weight. First, you have to pack on weight, 20-25lbs by doing a shitload of hypertrophy work (High reps, medium weight), eating a LOT or dropping your "cardio" program, then you have to convert all of that slow twitch muscle to fast twitch via a Strength and Power program (low reps, high weight and "fast moving lifts" such as the clean and jerk, snatch, sprints, and general plyometrics.)

On a body like GSPs It'd take at least 6 months to move up 1 division "solidly" because not only is he probably borderline legal on testosterone, but he's already probably consuming 5k calories a day.

Everlast · 08-20-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Darph

Oh, I've been wanting to ask, do any of you guys train?

I'm going to be busting my ass for the next few months as I have 2 Judo tournaments and a Gi and No-Gi BJJ one I'm planning to enter.

I do Muay Thai, none of that submission bru-ha-ha for me

Honestly I love doing it, I have tried to recruit so many people who "used to train" to no avail, though. I think everyone should pick up some form of self defense.

homsar · 08-20-2008, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darph

I think Franklin would be good if he'd switch his strength training program from bodybuilder bullcrap to a real Power oriented routine. That guy needs to do some Cleans and Sprints.

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I wonder how cutting that much weight effects his fighting ?? But I do believe if he went more for the GSP cardio he would improve alot in the MW division.

Thats one of the things that i'm curious about with Machida. How much does it help him since he isnt cutting 20-25 pounds the day before the fight like most of the other fighters and is comming in at full health.

Tallyn · 08-20-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by homsar

Thats one of the things that i'm curious about with Machida. How much does it help him since he isnt cutting 20-25 pounds the day before the fight like most of the other fighters and is comming in at full health.

I never really understood weight cutting, to be honest. I realize it's a tradition from western wrestling and boxing, but it doesn't make any sense to me. The process sucks immensely, it's horrible for your body, you feel like shit afterward and can't compete at your best, and it totally defeats the purpose of having weight divisions. If they're going to have a "205 pound division" then the fighters should weigh 205 on fight day, not 205 the day before and 215-225+ when they walk in the ring. If they weighed fighters the day before and ringside pre-fight I think we'd see much better competitions with a lot less gassing in rounds 2-3.

homsar · 08-20-2008, 08:55 PM

They need to figure something out with the HW gap also. 205-265 is kind of rediculous I think

ziggyholiday · 08-20-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Darph

Oh, I've been wanting to ask, do any of you guys train?

I'm going to be busting my ass for the next few months as I have 2 Judo tournaments and a Gi and No-Gi BJJ one I'm planning to enter.

Been training at a Gracie/Barra school but now that I've moved I'm faced with the choice of a Royler Gracie school or a Sombo/American Kickboxing school....not sure what I really want to do at this point because I want a black belt in BJJ but I eventually wanted to move into a more no gi focused school as well as start some stand up training...choices choices.

Darph · 08-21-2008, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tallyn

I never really understood weight cutting...

Weight cutting sucks, but is almost absolutely necessary at a certain point.

The hardest part for me is getting quality sleep during a cut. However, Melatonin is your friend.

The last tournament I didn't cut at, I was at the bottom of our bracket (179-199lbs) and fought someone who cut from 215. I lost to this person.

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Originally Posted by Everlast

I do Muay Thai, none of that submission bru-ha-ha for me

I started Muay Thai 4 weeks ago. Surprisingly it's a lot easier to cope with than I thought it would be: I can fight from my square stance (opposed to boxing) I can clinch, and you can even trip people. However, I get kicked a lot. My hands and guard are solid but my legs are black and blue

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Originally Posted by ziggyholiday

Been training at a Gracie/Barra school but now that I've moved I'm faced with the choice of a Royler Gracie school or a Sombo/American Kickboxing school...

Where did you move to?

A BJJ blackbelt is worth it's weight in gold. Also, Royler is one of the world's premier No-Gi grapplers. I'm sure they have it.

Personally, I love to grapple, and I love the Gi. I do no-gi regularly, but it just doesn't have the soul!

Also, what Sambo school? Finding a good Sambo teacher state-side is very tough. I got lucky, my first grappling coach is the former coach of the Polish Olympic/National judo team. He has a strong Russian style (all of the eastern block countries do.) But, honestly, unless it's Gokor Chivinchyns gym, you might want to have a close look at it.

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Originally Posted by homsar

They need to figure something out with the HW gap also. 205-265 is kind of rediculous I think

The new "unified rules" have a 205-220 category. They should have called it Cruiser weight tho, instead of try to change the names.

08-18-2008, 08:35 PM	#2986 (permalink)
Lenas Usually only fucks with female pilots, 'cause they got the illest cockpits Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,292	Lol, funny seeing LT with Kimbo and then I look over to my TV and see him selling a spa for a local company. __________________ 360 / PSN - LenasUchiha

08-18-2008, 09:12 PM	#2987 (permalink)
homsar Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Redding, Ca Posts: 1,714 +22 Internets	Really sucks that Kimbo is the face of MMA. How long do people think it will be until MMA is in the olympics?? __________________ Tyen is a power hungry admin. He abused his power and hacked his internets. Give him -internets to offset this injustice.

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Araxen Pride Never Die Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Near Chicago, IL Posts: 2,467	never...it's not possible. You see all that headgear and shit they make them wear in boxing...imagine the shit they'll make them wear in the Olympics for MMA. I could see BJJ eventually, but not pure MMA. __________________ Currently Playing: WoW: Nuklear, Araxen - Thrall PSN: Araxen

08-19-2008, 05:23 AM	#2990 (permalink)
Tuco Forum Janitor Join Date: May 2002 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,769 +24 Internets	Not sure how they'd do a weeklong tournament in MMA without ruining it tbh. I personally wouldn't mind if it was, well, like Bloodsport, but I doubt that'd attract the top competitors and it wouldn't really be fair. The guy who got a lucky knockout in round one would have a huge advantage over the guy who had to fight a slobberknocker with a Mark Hunt or a Jon Fitch. __________________ Last edited by Tuco : 08-19-2008 at 05:26 AM.

08-19-2008, 11:00 PM	#2992 (permalink)
homsar Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Redding, Ca Posts: 1,714 +22 Internets	All this talk about GSP vs Silva is getting old. Who else thinks Pierre couldnt even make it past franklin at 185??? __________________ Tyen is a power hungry admin. He abused his power and hacked his internets. Give him -internets to offset this injustice.

08-19-2008, 06:54 AM	#2991 (permalink)
huh Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 665 +20 Internets	They should of brought back Pankration in the Athens Olympics when they had the chance. I'd love to see MMA in the Olympics but they would probably neuter it pretty bad. I wonder what the injury rate is like for Combat Sambo tourneys. Last thing you would want is to see someone like Steve Jennum come in a win gold.

08-20-2008, 04:08 PM	#2994 (permalink)
Darph Lays The Pipe Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Corp Por Posts: 806 +8 Internets	I think Franklin would be good if he'd switch his strength training program from bodybuilder bullcrap to a real Power oriented routine. That guy needs to do some Cleans and Sprints. As for moving up in weight to fight A. Silva, GSP would be really stupid to accept that. Not just because A. Silva has a HUGE height and reach advantage, but because A silva is probably clocking in about 212. People don't realize how hard it is to pack on good muscle. 15 lbs is a LOT of weight. First, you have to pack on weight, 20-25lbs by doing a shitload of hypertrophy work (High reps, medium weight), eating a LOT or dropping your "cardio" program, then you have to convert all of that slow twitch muscle to fast twitch via a Strength and Power program (low reps, high weight and "fast moving lifts" such as the clean and jerk, snatch, sprints, and general plyometrics.) On a body like GSPs It'd take at least 6 months to move up 1 division "solidly" because not only is he probably borderline legal on testosterone, but he's already probably consuming 5k calories a day. __________________ Darph - Fires of Heaven. "Train simulators are a game." - Fansy the Famous Bard

08-20-2008, 08:55 PM	#2998 (permalink)
homsar Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Redding, Ca Posts: 1,714 +22 Internets	They need to figure something out with the HW gap also. 205-265 is kind of rediculous I think __________________ Tyen is a power hungry admin. He abused his power and hacked his internets. Give him -internets to offset this injustice.

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