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[Celebrindal]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

A win is a win. Losses help make fighters better. There are obviously holes in Rampage's game, and this will help him address them. He'll get the belt back before the end of the year.

[homsar]

Like stated above, I dont know who bleeds easier Griffin or Fedor. Machida will have the next title shot and kick his ass. No reason Rashad, Wandy, Thiago, or Chuck should get the next title shot. The only person I think that would deserve a Title shot over Machida would be Anderson.

[Kindnugs]

Like Rampage said, 9 months and no fights is pretty retarded. Especially when you have to fight top talent. He looked nervous and shaky. I called his leg out pretty early in the first round and was not surprised at all that it went. Fucking guy was not loose and looked like he might shit his pants.

[huh]

Break down of how the judges scored it.

Adalaide Byrd who scored it 48-46, gave 4 and 5 to Jackson and Griffin 1, 2 and 3 with 2 as 10-8

Nelson Hamilton had it 48-46 with 1 and 4 for Jackson, and Griffin getting 2 10-8

Roy Silbert had it 49-46 with only round 4 for Jackson.

[Ameraves Loyalheart]

How the hell is anyone gonna give Griffin round 1?

[jayrebb]

2 judges with round 1 for griffin? Wow. The fans on sherdog must have gone berserk.

From now on when a fight goes to decision I know what to expect. The trend has been building for a while now, but this was just too much.

[Disp]

Round 1 was pretty close, but yeah shoulda prolly gone to Rampage. Forrest looked better overall round 1 with the leg kicks, etc. cept the 1 knockdown Rampage had. But the 1 knockdown was pretty big.

[Lonin]

Just watched the fight tonight. I disagree with the decision but I can see Griffin winning. I can't see him winning by that large of a margin though, and definitely not 49-46. I had the fight scored 1, 4, 5 to Jackson and 2, 3 to Griffin with 2 possibly being 10-8. It definitely sets up a great rematch though sometime down the line.

[LiquidDeath]

Originally Posted by Lonin

Just watched the fight tonight. I disagree with the decision but I can see Griffin winning. I can't see him winning by that large of a margin though, and definitely not 49-46. I had the fight scored 1, 4, 5 to Jackson and 2, 3 to Griffin with 2 possibly being 10-8. It definitely sets up a great rematch though sometime down the line.

How do you have round 5 for Jackson? It seemed to me that they both landed strikes about the same, but Griffin controlled the pace, had more aggression, and controlled the octagon.

[p0wl]

"Griffin vs. Jackson II" is the only real fix | MMAjunkie.com

Not sure if this has been posted, but the link goes to how the judges scored Griffin/Jackson round by round.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Round 1

* Adalaide Byrd: 10-9, Griffin
* Nelson Hamilton: 10-9, Jackson
* Roy Silbert: 10-9, Griffin

Round 2

* Byrd: 10-8, Griffin
* Hamilton: 10-8, Griffin
* Silbert: 10-9, Griffin

Round 3

* Byrd: 10-9, Griffin
* Hamilton: 10-9, Griffin
* Silbert: 10-9, Griffin

Round 4

* Byrd: 10-9, Jackson
* Hamilton: 10-9, Jackson
* Silbert: 10-9, Jackson

Round 5

* Byrd: 10-9, Jackson
* Hamilton: 10-9, Griffin
* Silbert: 10-9, Griffin

Fight Results

* Byrd: 48-46, Griffin
* Hamilton: 48-46, Griffin
* Silbert: 49-46, Griffin

edit: scores are in spoilers, link goes to source

[jayrebb]

I just hope Forrest stands his ground in the rematch.

If you can't hang with the champ, you should NOT be champ. He didn't beat the champ, he out-pointed the champ.

You should never be allowed to take a belt in MMA by out-pointing the champ, which is exploiting boxing judges and rules.

Please god let Forrest stand in the pocket with Rampage for more than 10 seconds. Take your loss like a man and get KO'd.

Imagine if this fight was in a ring? First round KO. I realized why I hate the cage so much after the Cote/Almeida and Rampage/Griffin fight. You can't stalk or cut anyone off. Its really getting bad for the fans. Point fighters have supreme advantage in the cage when facing deadly strikers.

[LiquidDeath]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

I just hope Forrest stands his ground in the rematch.

If you can't hang with the champ, you should NOT be champ. He didn't beat the champ, he out-pointed the champ.

You should never be allowed to take a belt in MMA by out-pointing the champ, which is exploiting boxing judges and rules.

Please god let Forrest stand in the pocket with Rampage for more than 10 seconds. Take your loss like a man and get KO'd.

Imagine if this fight was in a ring? First round KO. I realized why I hate the cage so much after the Cote/Almeida and Rampage/Griffin fight. You can't stalk or cut anyone off. Its really getting bad for the fans. Point fighters have supreme advantage in the cage when facing deadly strikers.

What fucking fight were you watching? The only way that Rampage could have possibly won that fight was by out-pointing Griffin because he landed a fair number of solid shots and failed to take Griffin out. In fact, Griffin was the only one in that cage that displayed any diversity at all and Rampage looked like boxer that was out of his element.

Are you seriously saying that if the fight was in a ring that Rampage would have been doing the stalking? You are living in a fantasy land. Griffin was the agressor for at least 75% of that fight, controlling the octagon that whole time. How in the world a ring have changed the fact that he was being forced backward for 20 minutes? He would have been backed into a corner and been forced to fight his way out, which would have been difficult to do with Griffin hammering that leg as often as possible.

[Sheaf]

Originally Posted by Ameraves Loyalheart

How the hell is anyone gonna give Griffin round 1?

It's easy to get that idea (after watching the umpteenth slow motion replay of the uppercut) that Jackson dominated that round. Go back and watch it again. Forrest clearly controlled 4 of the 5 minutes in it. He was more aggressive, landed more strikes, controlled the pace, and did more damage during those four minutes.

I could see that round going either way. Rampage's knee buckled in the second round, but most of the damage to it came in the first.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by LiquidDeath

What fucking fight were you watching? The only way that Rampage could have possibly won that fight was by out-pointing Griffin because he landed a fair number of solid shots and failed to take Griffin out. In fact, Griffin was the only one in that cage that displayed any diversity at all and Rampage looked like boxer that was out of his element.

I see a few things wrong with this post. One is "Rampage landed a fair number of solid shots and failed to take Griffin out".

So Griffin has a better chin than Chuck Liddell now? Rampage had to throw from the clinch for his damage because Griffin wouldn't hang in the pocket with Rampage. Rampage therefore was unable to land any "solid shots". Griffin either hung outside, or got inside. He never stood and banged in the pocket.

If Rampage had landed a solid shot, Griffin would have been out on the ground. Chuck has one of the best chins in MMA period, and Rampage KO'd him.

[whatsamattau]

Rampage had to throw from the clinch for his damage

There was hardly any clinching in the whole fight... what are you talking about?

Forrest didn't stand and trade punches with Rampage because it would have been terrible strategy to do so. That doesn't make Forrest a worse fighter than Rampage. If anything, it's a testament to why he was, at least on saturday, a better fighter.

Rampage therefore was unable to land any "solid shots".

More arguments for Forrest. Part of MMA is not getting hit.

You should never be allowed to take a belt in MMA by out-pointing the champ, which is exploiting boxing judges and rules.

So a champion in MMA should back-peddle like Rampage did the whole fight, and never press the action? In the event he fails to KO the challenger, he still keeps the belt because he himself didn't get KO'd/submitted?

Huh?