The MMA thread - Page 162

Araxen · 06-02-2008, 11:44 AM

Mixed martial arts show with Kimbo Slice scores big in Los Angeles - Los Angeles Times

I thought the EliteXC was good despite the lame ending to the lawler fight, but a doctor will always cover their ass when you tell them "you can't see". It's something you never say to the ringside doctor. I do not buy into the CBS "had them stop all the fights early because of the violence" excuse. This isn't japan were they can get away with this shit.

I especially liked that CBS didn't break between rounds...UFC shows commercials every chance they can get(even on PPV's) and their shows suffer for it production wise.

All I see now is the UFC fanboi's lining up to trash the EliteXC show any chance they can get. MMA needs competition between org's because having UFC the only North American promotion will doom MMA eventually over here.

column · 06-02-2008, 11:52 AM

I definitely believe CBS coerced those officials into stopping those fights. The athletic doctors and commissions have always been corrupt. Even if they were not corrupt CBS could have suggested certain doctors that were more sensitive to stopping fights.Ya'll notice the Doc was a woman?

Memo from CBS probly went something like this " If its even close to someone getting injured badly, STOP IT"

Ground and Pound fights can be pretty bloody.I'm not saying that stand up fights are not..just saying that CBS was probly hoping it would be more boxing then arm breaks, and sitting on someone wailing away at there face.

Did anyone notice before the first fight started,the mat was covered in blood? The first match was so bloody they didn't even show it.

Its not always going to be like that, just for the first couple of shows there going to need the mass public to be slowly integrated into the violence of the MMA,and it is violent. Once the public gets desensitized I am sure it will be exactly the same as its Showtime originator minus the Bikini girls =((

foddon · 06-02-2008, 12:08 PM

Like Araxen said, he said he couldn't see. The doctor HAS to stop the fight at that point. As a fighter, he should know that the fight is over when he says that.

The Kimbo stoppage was probably a bit premature, and I agree they were probably sensitive to the network audience and it wouldn't surprise me if they told the ref to use extra caution. I can't completely blame the ref, since Thompson looks like he's out on his feet every time he gets punched in the head.

huh · 06-02-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by column

I definitely believe CBS coerced those officials into stopping those fights.

Kaitlin Young agrees with you.

http://mmamania.com/2008/06/02/mma-q...y-face-on-cbs/

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“My left cheek and area surrounding the eye are looking pretty ugly today, but there was no major damage. Though it may have looked like it on tv, I never actually had an open wound. What you didn’t see was that the doctor actually cleared me to fight the third round but the commission said ‘no.’ I wanted to continue, my corner wanted to continue. The cut likely would have opened in the third but it was under the eye. If I had to guess, I would say that they didn’t want the visual of a woman with a bloody face on CBS. They also chose not to do a post fight interview with me or to include me in the post fight news conference and after party. I think the reason for that was my beat up appearance after the fight because I was not seriously injured and was completely coherent. I am very disappointed about that but cant help but wonder how people would have responded to that, as stupid as it is. “

As for the Thompson stoppage, he was kinda out of it and combined with that fucked up ear it wasn't that bad. I was more pissed off with what happened in the last 2 minutes of the 2nd round. There needs to be a better standard to when a ref should step in when a fighter isn't intelligently defending himself.

Mithandriel · 06-02-2008, 12:51 PM

I guess I'm being to much of an optimist to think that their was no coercion but deep down it would not surprise me. It is funny that it is ok to show extremely violent television shows but controlled violence between "real" people is not allowed.

I think part of the stoppages (I did not see the women fight) was to protect their marketing tools as much as it was for CBS to not show extreme violence on TV. Had Kimbo lost, they would probably lose millions. Had the American Gladiator woman lost, same deal.

I'm sure CBS is going to have more shows so I guess they succeeded.

In terms of the Lawler/Smith fight, I don't have a copy of the audio but I think he said "I can't see right now. Give me my five minutes and I'll be fine." What was the harm of giving him his full five minutes and then having the doctor re-assess.

Nebuchadnezzar · 06-02-2008, 03:02 PM

Young did look horrible. Huge black eye, bleeding from her nose. They showed one quick shot of her and then completely ignored her. After that it seems like CBS started to get gun shy on how much they were going to show. Was pretty shitty overall...they should have gotten some lightweights in there and let them show there quick moves and transitions, would have looked much better.

Haalen · 06-02-2008, 09:16 PM

I think the CBS event was decent overall I just hated the bad stoppages of the last two fights. They also need to work on their pacing of the event.

huh · 06-03-2008, 02:16 AM

Cecil Peoples might have a challenger for his title of most awesomest MMA judge ever.

gavinrad · 06-03-2008, 06:41 AM

Two things. A: Colon has to be a fantastic last name. B: doesn't that scorecard show Thompson winning every round, or do I not know how these things go?

Mithandriel · 06-03-2008, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gavinrad

Two things. A: Colon has to be a fantastic last name. B: doesn't that scorecard show Thompson winning every round, or do I not know how these things go?

It also shows Colon giving the second round to Slice 10-9 even after spending the majority of it on his back taking elbows to the head. I guess he felt that one shot that wobbled Thompson was greater than everything else in the round.

I also find it funny nobody refers to his as Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson. The score cards even referenced "Slice." That would be like Chuck Liddell only being called "The Iceman" with no reference to his actual name.

huh · 06-03-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithandriel

I also find it funny nobody refers to his as Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson. The score cards even referenced "Slice." That would be like Chuck Liddell only being called "The Iceman" with no reference to his actual name.

If Crocop can do it anyone can!

Mithandriel · 06-03-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by huh

If Crocop can do it anyone can!

Good point but I still hear them refer to him as Mirko CroCop or even his full name (Filipovic I believe).

BigMovieBuff · 06-03-2008, 07:50 PM

George Lucas' daughter Amanda is an MMA fighter and just fought in Auckland, NZ.

Daughter of George Lucas in Auckland bout - New Zealand's source for sport, rugby, cricket & league news on Stuff.co.nz

Is a force choke a legal move?

Kindnugs · 06-03-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMovieBuff

George Lucas' daughter Amanda is an MMA fighter and just fought in Auckland, NZ.

Daughter of George Lucas in Auckland bout - New Zealand's source for sport, rugby, cricket & league news on Stuff.co.nz

Is a force choke a legal move?

Anyone got a vid of this shit? mma-tracker doesnt have anything =(

homsar · 06-03-2008, 08:41 PM

06-02-2008, 11:44 AM	#2416 (permalink)
Araxen Pride Never Die Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Near Chicago, IL Posts: 2,467	Mixed martial arts show with Kimbo Slice scores big in Los Angeles - Los Angeles Times I thought the EliteXC was good despite the lame ending to the lawler fight, but a doctor will always cover their ass when you tell them "you can't see". It's something you never say to the ringside doctor. I do not buy into the CBS "had them stop all the fights early because of the violence" excuse. This isn't japan were they can get away with this shit. I especially liked that CBS didn't break between rounds...UFC shows commercials every chance they can get(even on PPV's) and their shows suffer for it production wise. All I see now is the UFC fanboi's lining up to trash the EliteXC show any chance they can get. MMA needs competition between org's because having UFC the only North American promotion will doom MMA eventually over here. __________________ Currently Playing: WoW: Nuklear, Araxen - Thrall PSN: Araxen Last edited by Araxen : 06-02-2008 at 11:47 AM.

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Nebuchadnezzar Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,758 +1 Internets	Young did look horrible. Huge black eye, bleeding from her nose. They showed one quick shot of her and then completely ignored her. After that it seems like CBS started to get gun shy on how much they were going to show. Was pretty shitty overall...they should have gotten some lightweights in there and let them show there quick moves and transitions, would have looked much better. __________________ I eat grass like an ox and shat like a fox.

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06-02-2008, 12:08 PM	#2418 (permalink)
foddon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 418 +0 Internets	Like Araxen said, he said he couldn't see. The doctor HAS to stop the fight at that point. As a fighter, he should know that the fight is over when he says that. The Kimbo stoppage was probably a bit premature, and I agree they were probably sensitive to the network audience and it wouldn't surprise me if they told the ref to use extra caution. I can't completely blame the ref, since Thompson looks like he's out on his feet every time he gets punched in the head.

06-02-2008, 12:51 PM	#2420 (permalink)
Mithandriel Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 280 +2 Internets	I guess I'm being to much of an optimist to think that their was no coercion but deep down it would not surprise me. It is funny that it is ok to show extremely violent television shows but controlled violence between "real" people is not allowed. I think part of the stoppages (I did not see the women fight) was to protect their marketing tools as much as it was for CBS to not show extreme violence on TV. Had Kimbo lost, they would probably lose millions. Had the American Gladiator woman lost, same deal. I'm sure CBS is going to have more shows so I guess they succeeded. In terms of the Lawler/Smith fight, I don't have a copy of the audio but I think he said "I can't see right now. Give me my five minutes and I'll be fine." What was the harm of giving him his full five minutes and then having the doctor re-assess.

06-02-2008, 09:16 PM	#2422 (permalink)
Haalen Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nj Posts: 474 -2 Internets	I think the CBS event was decent overall I just hated the bad stoppages of the last two fights. They also need to work on their pacing of the event.

06-03-2008, 07:50 PM	#2428 (permalink)
BigMovieBuff Perennially Disappointed Lions Fan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 624 +14 Internets	George Lucas' daughter Amanda is an MMA fighter and just fought in Auckland, NZ. Daughter of George Lucas in Auckland bout - New Zealand's source for sport, rugby, cricket & league news on Stuff.co.nz Is a force choke a legal move?