The MMA thread

[Fedor]

[Lonin]

Originally Posted by Fedor

Heh, nice shots at EliteXC there. I wouldn't call the card horrendous like he did, but having two major fights stopped like that and allowing Thompson to fight without getting his ear drained was pretty shitty. The columnist guy was a joke though. Dana has a point when he brings up deaths and serious injuries. The NFL has had multiple deaths and serious injuries in the last decade whereas no major MMA organization has had even 1 of either (1 death from a small sanctioned organization). Is the sport violent? Of course. Is it any worse than 24 or boxing or WWE? No, and arguments could be made that it's more appropriate than all of those things.

[homsar]

Blows me away what the UFC has done with the WEC. Elite is pathetic comparing the the 2 shows.

[Grumath]

WEC event tonight had 2 of the best fights I have seen all year. Torres is a blast to watch, and I am very intrigued by the Bantam's now.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

I must say that I was impressed with Jens. I figured he would get steamrolled by the second round. Great fight though!

[Kez]

The two title fights were great to watch, back and forth all the way for both of them.

[bobyab]

It is amazing the ammount of MMA haters there are at ESPN. They have fucking NFL live on year round talking about dumb shits like Pacman and Tony Homo/Jessica Simpson... and only in the last year or so will they even acknowledge MMA even exists. When Dana White makes MMA the 4th biggest sporting event in America (and that day is coming), I hope he finds some way to stick it to the ESPN douche heads. Even the PTI guys (Wilbon and Kornheiser), who generally only have their heads up their asses 50% of the time hate it. Do you have to be under the age of 40 to understand this stuff? WTF?

The Elite XC event gave me that much more appreciation for the guys in the UFC. That is all I will say about that. The WEC event was pretty awesome. Faber and Pulver didn't disapoint. I didn't know who Torres was before tonight, but I would totally pay for a PPV if he was in it.

[kcxiv]

eh, i am under 40 and while i dont hate it, i dont go out of my way to watch it. I still prefer boxing. I just like it more. Again, not saying i dont like MMA, its ok, but its just not a high priority for me as far as the sports i watch.

[Grimmlokk]

Thanks for the blog update.


I had no idea who Torres was going in to the Chase Beebe fight, and came away amazed. Mostly by his mullet, but also by his skill. He's just crazy fast, especially at sub attempts. Maeda fought a very smart fight with him and did a great job keeping away from subs. You could see on that first takedown before he even hit the mat Torres was going for a triangle, from there on Maeda was very cautious. Was a good fight and I wish it could have gone longer.

Faber impressed me, really for the first time. Pulver was really disappointing though. He was not aggressive, and he was not trying to attack when he had openings. Multiple times he had Faber open for punches and he just fucking stood there. He deserved to lose, though his takedown defense was fairly good. Hurts me to say, because I've been a huge Pulver fan since his fight with Hallman.

BTW I still think the UFC needs to bring in Hallman to fight Matt Hughes again. 2 wins over him by sub in a combined 37 seconds.

[column]

You guys are crazy thinking EliteXC is not good just because of the CBS thing. The Showtime version was awesome.

Incredible week for MMA btw,both the CBS and WEC were awesome despite the minor CBS politics with the early stops.

Did anyone notice how much money Kimbo made, over 6 figures. I can guarantee if thats the money they dish out for the CBS fights ALOT of top fighters will move over.

Also with the unified MMA rules, I think the end of the leagues may be near if Dana doesn't stop with his Dictatorship of who can and can not fight in the UFC. My guess it will go to promoters soon to put cards together.

[column]

O and the CBS elitexc came in second place, coming in a tenth of a point behind NBC’s airing of the Stanley Cup Finals. Only reason it didn't take first is because the nearly three-hour telecast ran 45 minutes past 11 p.m., pushing the much-anticipated headliner bout between Kimbo Slice ,and James Thompson outside of primetime hours.

[Mithandriel]

Anyone else notice the way the announcers were trying to make a comparison between the Lawler/Smith fight and Griffin/Bonnar #1?

At the end, Shaw made the announcement that he would pay both fighters their win bonus smacked of Dana giving both Bonner and Griffen contracts.

I only saw the last two fights but what I saw did not impress me. Sure Lawler and Smith but on a good fight but the stoppage ruined it. I've already stated my opinion on the Kimbo fight. Honestly, for me, that was not the best first impression of MMA for a network audience.

On the other hand, the WEC show was fantastic. I had not seen Faber fight before but I was impressed. That kid is good. I don't think outside of Jens he has much in the way of competition.

Jens but up a good fight and is one scrappy pro with an iron chin but he didn't seem to press any advantage and looked slow compared to Faber.

Would be nice to see Faber in the UFC for the competition although I think he would give up a fair amount of weight since the UFC's lowest weight class is 155(?).

[Grumath]

Yeah Faber would be small at 155. He hardly cuts any weight to make 145 is my understanding. What was amazing about him that hasn't really been seen before that fight was his cardio. You always hear about guys having good cardio and being able to go 5 rounds. Faber did more than "go 5 rounds". He was bouncing and weaving and just as quick at the end of round 5 as he was at the start of the fight. Pretty amazing. Even the guys with the biggest gas tanks out there show SOME signs of fatigue. That was the first time I have seen virtually no signs of fatigue after 25 really fast-paced minutes.

[Tarrant220]

Faber was insane, I honestly don't think I've been as impressed with someone as I was when watching him last night against Jens. I mean....the guy never stopped....at all. Even when down on the mat when usually you'll see guys rest a bit he was throwing elbows, fists and just doing what he could to put Jens away.

Much like said above, I don't remember the last time I saw a guy go non stop like that for 25minutes, he's now probably one of my favorite light weights.

Jens I think was just taken back by him, Faber was fast, he would launch a huge right hand and cover up almost as soon as it connected, weave out and cock it back for another blast. I was pretty shocked when Jens took the beating he did near the end of round 3 I believe and came out of it smiling. It says a lot for his conditioning as well, but unless he gets speed to match Faber (who no one really knew had that much striking power going into this) I don't see how he's ever going to top em.

Also, Jens little post fight speech made me respect him a bit, he seems like a pretty cool guy, hopefully he'll do well, train more and we can see Jens/Faber 2.

I would love to see how Faber would do in UFC, put 10lbs on em and if he can keep the level of energy he has now, honestly, I'm not sure who could stop him.

[column]

I only saw the last two fights but what I saw did not impress me. Sure Lawler and Smith but on a good fight but the stoppage ruined it. I've already stated my opinion on the Kimbo fight. Honestly, for me, that was not the best first impression of MMA for a network audience.

This is why you will never do any kind of successful marketing for anyone.

Heres the deal. CBS first foray into the MMA,they picked all Brawlers. Every match was either a quick knockdown or a stoppage.They even included the best looking woman in MMA,who just happens to be the champ.

Honestly do you think CBS is going to let anyone get Marjorly hurt in there first primetime premier of MMA? If I was you I would be thanking them for it. Politicians are looking for anything to shut the MMA down. Want to know the person that was the prime opponent of the original UFC and almost got it shut down for good? that would be John Mccain,possibly our future president.

So yeah lets let people destroy themselves on national TV before we can desensitize them to the violence.If you fuckers will be patient enough the CBS show will deliver you an awesome event without dishing out 60 bones for PPV.


UFC needs heavy competiton,its healthy for the sport. Dana is a ahole,and better watch he doesn't drive that orginization into the ground.

[Mithandriel]

Originally Posted by column

This is why you will never do any kind of successful marketing for anyone.

Heres the deal. CBS first foray into the MMA,they picked all Brawlers. Every match was either a quick knockdown or a stoppage.They even included the best looking woman in MMA,who just happens to be the champ.

Honestly do you think CBS is going to let anyone get Marjorly hurt in there first primetime premier of MMA? If I was you I would be thanking them for it. Politicians are looking for anything to shut the MMA down. Want to know the person that was the prime opponent of the original UFC and almost got it shut down for good? that would be John Mccain,possibly our future president.

So yeah lets let people destroy themselves on national TV before we can desensitize them to the violence.If you fuckers will be patient enough the CBS show will deliver you an awesome event without dishing out 60 bones for PPV.


UFC needs heavy competiton,its healthy for the sport. Dana is a ahole,and better watch he doesn't drive that orginization into the ground.

I'm not talking about the fighters or match ups. I can't comment on the earlier fights. Lawler/Smith would have been a good main event considering it was a title fight and both met have knock out power.

I completely understand why they picked Kimbo as the main event. He is an excellent marketing tool. People only know him as the "internet sensation Kimbo Slice" and have no idea where he ranks as a real fighter.

I'm not disputing that. Unfortunately, the two fights both ended in suspect fashion. The doctor ended the first fight (maybe correctly but I don't think so) and the ref stopped the second. Both fight results are not really the best way to introduce people to MMA. The doctor and the ref are governed by the NJ athletic commission and while, sure CBS and EliteXC may have given then some additional suggestions, I hope you are not suggesting the governing officials were told when and how to stop fights?

You don't think having brawlers lends itself to a major injury. Of course they do. With the exception of a few people that don't tap to subs, I think you have a much better chance of carting someone out of the ring from a knockout then you do from an armbar.

Marketing is one thing but you also have to deliver to keep people interested.