The MMA thread - Page 156

Grumath · 05-27-2008, 11:43 AM

I am interested in seeing more of Goran Relijic. He almost looked like a mini-CroCop out there. He was throwing the same stuff over and over, but he was good at what he did. He is very young too, so he has time to add more variety to his game. Would be fun to see a head-kicker shake up the LHW Division.

homsar · 05-27-2008, 02:13 PM

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Really doubt Ortiz will be able to close the gap, and if he does Machida will put him on his back most likely. Only way I see machida losing is to someone that has KO power and can land one on him.

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Originally Posted by jayrebb

Tito is the guy to beat Machida. A strong wrestler (unfortunately with a serious back and knee injury) but still, Tito is a better matchup for Machida than anyone else at 205.

I don't see Machida winning this one. Rashad couldn't stop Tito from taking him down, how is Karate Machida going to do anything about it?

Tito by GnP decision

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Originally Posted by homsar

I dont know what to tell you if you havnt noticed that Soko has very good TD defense and Machida went through him with ease. Not even arona could take him down.

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So Machida > Arona now? No. Arona was running a high fever and was extremely weak going into that fight. Arona would tear through Machida.
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Sorry I just had to 8/

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Lyoto was at his worst ever. He backpeddled the entire fight. This was the worst Lyoto I have ever seen. You can't fight someone who doesn't want to fight.

Hes a good fighter, but his fight against Tito was his worst. Hands down.

Unfortunately the people I was watching it with were like "Tito sucks". And I had to explain several times that Lyoto was 100% focused on evading Tito, and was running away 90% of the time.

People didn't understand why Tito couldn't shoot on him. Its because Lyoto was 100% gameplanned against avoiding Tito.

Try it yourself in the gym. Have someone try to take you down while your plan is to avoid the takedown and do nothing else. Its fucking impossible.

Fuck man, for not wanting to fight and run away and attemp nothing the entire time its crazy to think that he would have these stats durring the fight.

Kalm · 05-27-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by homsar

Sorry I just had to 8/

Hahaha

Grumath · 05-27-2008, 03:49 PM

Homsar 10-8 on that round.

The Noble Savage · 05-27-2008, 04:11 PM

I'll agree that the Tito and Machida fight was boring, but 1/2 that is at the feet of Tito. He was much more passive than Machida was. He threw and landed less strikes and then just stood there taking shots instead of evading like Machida does.

Machida's style is totally viable and not "running away" in the slightest. He evades and exploits openings. When coupled with old washed up Tito it was boring. But it's a smart game plan, unlike Shawn Sherk's stand there and get jabbed in the face then try to counter punch a retreating BJ who already has 3' inch reach advantage. Also, on Tito's "close submission" at the end, he never even had it. Like someone said, if you watch Machida's shoulder is out and his arm is pinned across his head. Then when Tito tries to transition into the armbar, the arm is the wrong way with the bend of his elbow turning into Tito not out.

I agree that it would be very interesting to see him v.s. Wanderlei. I think either Machida would pick him apart piece by piece, or Wanderlei would run him over. Doubt there would be any middle ground in that fight.

P.S.
Someone mentioned something about Machida being sick during that fight. Is that confirmed? I noticed during the match he really seemed out of sorts, it was subtle but noticeable.

homsar · 05-27-2008, 04:19 PM

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P.S.
Someone mentioned something about Machida being sick during that fight. Is that confirmed? I noticed during the match he really seemed out of sorts, it was subtle but noticeable.

It was me, he stated in an interview that he became very i'll a day or so prior to the fight and the second round he had no energy. After the fight he went to his brother and said to hold him up since he could barely stand.

The Noble Savage · 05-27-2008, 04:43 PM

Thanks. He really did look exhausted. Glad he pulled it through.

gavinrad · 05-27-2008, 08:39 PM

tito can't even beat a sick dude, lolz

Necrath Evilcraft · 05-27-2008, 08:43 PM

I guess thats what you get when you waste part of your career fighting a dinosaur(Hi Ken!)3 times.

jayrebb · 05-27-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Grumath

I am interested in seeing more of Goran Relijic. He almost looked like a mini-CroCop out there. He was throwing the same stuff over and over, but he was good at what he did. He is very young too, so he has time to add more variety to his game. Would be fun to see a head-kicker shake up the LHW Division.

Minus the power. Crocop is a genetic anomaly with his kicks. When Crocop lands to the head, it doesn't matter if you blocked it, you are getting rocked bad. See Sanchez fight for epic block failure.

That was the first thing that came to mind is that Goran probably didn't even have 50% of his power, which is expected because I doubt we will see anyone with near Crocop attributes for a very long time. He looked good though.

And have to give credit wheres its due, homsar called the Machida/Tito match.

I don't know who can beat Machida now. Hes good in the clinch as seen in the Sokodjou fight, not just good but absolutely tooled a judoka.

It sounds cliche and ambiguous, but I guess the only way Machida is getting beat is if he "gets caught". Id really like to see how he does against a boxing brawler like Rampage, who knows if that will ever happen though. Machida would have beaten Chuck, good thing that got called off.

Spontaneous Cumbustion · 05-27-2008, 09:24 PM

I just want to see someone really go after Machida, seems like all the "strikers" that fight him are so confused by his style that he never really gets backed into a corner.

jayrebb · 05-27-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Spontaneous Cumbustion

I just want to see someone really go after Machida, seems like all the "strikers" that fight him are so confused by his style that he never really gets backed into a corner.

Theres your problem, there is no where to back Machida into.

During the Tito fight I kept saying if this was a ring, he would be on the ground already. Tito just couldn't get his hands on him in the cage.

Machida knows how to use the cage very well, hes got awareness at all times.

A brawler would just gas out swinging for the fences while Machida avoided him.

homsar · 05-27-2008, 09:58 PM

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And have to give credit wheres its due, homsar called the Machida/Tito match.

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Just giving you a hard time man. You were right about the kongo/herring fight.

Also anyone notice that machida does trap fighting?? buddy was trying to tell me it's not allowed in the UFC??

Tallyn · 05-28-2008, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by homsar

Just giving you a hard time man. You were right about the kongo/herring fight.

Also anyone notice that machida does trap fighting?? buddy was trying to tell me it's not allowed in the UFC??

It's legal according to UFC® : Ultimate Fighting Championship®.

CalhoonJugganaut · 05-28-2008, 05:57 PM

I'd like to see Machida vs. Cung Le

early prediction... Cung Le by KO

05-27-2008, 11:43 AM	#2326 (permalink)
Grumath The Decider Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 617 +0 Internets	I am interested in seeing more of Goran Relijic. He almost looked like a mini-CroCop out there. He was throwing the same stuff over and over, but he was good at what he did. He is very young too, so he has time to add more variety to his game. Would be fun to see a head-kicker shake up the LHW Division. __________________ To be highly certain of something, with a very low order of evidence, or in contradiction to a mountain of evidence, is a sign that something is wrong with your mind.

05-27-2008, 03:49 PM	#2329 (permalink)
Grumath The Decider Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 617 +0 Internets	Homsar 10-8 on that round. __________________ To be highly certain of something, with a very low order of evidence, or in contradiction to a mountain of evidence, is a sign that something is wrong with your mind.

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CalhoonJugganaut Legends are made out of vulnerable men Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norrath Carolina Posts: 528 +1 Internets	I'd like to see Machida vs. Cung Le early prediction... Cung Le by KO __________________ http://www.myspace.com/nicekrispy http://www.soundclick.com/nicekrispy Calhoon - Dwarf - Paladin - Onyxia

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05-27-2008, 04:11 PM	#2330 (permalink)
The Noble Savage Bastard Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 275 +4 Internets	I'll agree that the Tito and Machida fight was boring, but 1/2 that is at the feet of Tito. He was much more passive than Machida was. He threw and landed less strikes and then just stood there taking shots instead of evading like Machida does. Machida's style is totally viable and not "running away" in the slightest. He evades and exploits openings. When coupled with old washed up Tito it was boring. But it's a smart game plan, unlike Shawn Sherk's stand there and get jabbed in the face then try to counter punch a retreating BJ who already has 3' inch reach advantage. Also, on Tito's "close submission" at the end, he never even had it. Like someone said, if you watch Machida's shoulder is out and his arm is pinned across his head. Then when Tito tries to transition into the armbar, the arm is the wrong way with the bend of his elbow turning into Tito not out. I agree that it would be very interesting to see him v.s. Wanderlei. I think either Machida would pick him apart piece by piece, or Wanderlei would run him over. Doubt there would be any middle ground in that fight. P.S. Someone mentioned something about Machida being sick during that fight. Is that confirmed? I noticed during the match he really seemed out of sorts, it was subtle but noticeable.

05-27-2008, 04:43 PM	#2332 (permalink)
The Noble Savage Bastard Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 275 +4 Internets	Thanks. He really did look exhausted. Glad he pulled it through.

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Necrath Evilcraft Worthless Incarnate Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 436 -3 Internets	I guess thats what you get when you waste part of your career fighting a dinosaur(Hi Ken!)3 times.

05-27-2008, 09:24 PM	#2336 (permalink)
Spontaneous Cumbustion Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Wilmington, DE, USA Posts: 358	I just want to see someone really go after Machida, seems like all the "strikers" that fight him are so confused by his style that he never really gets backed into a corner.