The MMA thread

[jayrebb]

They were really trying to give Kalib a shot too.

Safe to say, he won't be televised again. Id also expect him to be released, but you never know.

[Ameraves Loyalheart]

I didn't see any of that arrogance from GSP that you kept talking about. He seemed quite humble to me.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by Ameraves Loyalheart

I didn't see any of that arrogance from GSP that you kept talking about. He seemed quite humble to me.

pre-fight, not post fight.

It looks like GSP's arrogance was all forced to promote the fight.


I still don't like a lot of the things he said, especially when he failed to stand with Serra at the beginning of the fight when Serra was fresh.

I know its MMA, but GSP said he was going to "answer with his fists." And he said he was going to show a "never seen before GSP".

Yeah Georges, we know you can take Serra down and you have amazing cardio......but what better way to validate yourself than to pick Serra apart standing?

Im definitely not a GSP fan right now. He didn't reverse the scenario that lost him the belt the first time. He could have done it, but instead he shot takedown after takedown.

[Ameraves Loyalheart]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

pre-fight, not post fight.

It looks like GSP's arrogance was all forced to promote the fight.


I still don't like a lot of the things he said, especially when he failed to stand with Serra at the beginning of the fight when Serra was fresh.

I know its MMA, but GSP said he was going to "answer with his fists." And he said he was going to show a "never seen before GSP".

Yeah Georges, we know you can take Serra down and you have amazing cardio......but what better way to validate yourself than to pick Serra apart standing?

Im definitely not a GSP fan right now. He didn't reverse the scenario that lost him the belt the first time. He could have done it, but instead he shot takedown after takedown.

So basically you wanted to see a kickboxing match?

You don't have to be a fan of someone or even agree with the way they fight. But to say he didn't validate himself after he absolutely dominated Serra is just silly. How the hell did he not reverse the scenario that lost him the belt? Just because he didn't get a KO? That is just fucking retarded.

[Celebrindal]

Until you step inside a ring, just shut up Jay. When it comes to fighting, especially when it's evenly matched competitors, gameplan and execution wins the fight. GSP worked it perfectly, in my opinion.

Validation? GSP won, decisively. That's validation enough.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by Ameraves Loyalheart

So basically you wanted to see a kickboxing match?

You don't have to be a fan of someone or even agree with the way they fight. But to say he didn't validate himself after he absolutely dominated Serra is just silly. How the hell did he not reverse the scenario that lost him the belt? Just because he didn't get a KO? That is just fucking retarded.

Serra obliterated him standing last time. It was a mess, he got his ass whipped all across the ring before tapping to strikes on his back.

GSP said it was a mistake, fluke, etc.

He didn't validate himself. He failed to stand with Serra for the first 2 minutes of the opening round. The same minutes that lost him the belt standing last time.

I see there are plenty of GSP nuthuggers here to go around. Fact is GSP didn't reverse the scenario. He didn't stand with Serra.

GSP could have won some fans, but instead he took the Matt Hughes route and used his strength and conditioning. I thought GSP was a better athlete than to have to shoot takedowns on a guy that doesn't even wrestle.

Serra doesn't have a fucking clue what wrestling is, GSP proved nothing. We all knew he can take Serra down and grind him out. Stand and bang next time, prove that you lost the belt standing as a fluke.

[huh]

When did GSP ever say it was a fluke?

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by huh

When did GSP ever say it was a fluke?

Not in plain english, but that sums up all his "excuse" interviews.

Is that all you have? Semantics??

[huh]

All you have is putting words into other people's mouths.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by huh

All you have is putting words into other people's mouths.

Hardly. Different sayings, same meaning. And that has nothing to do with my post. We almost have ourselves a semantics and strawman argument combined. Great.

Its alright just come out and say you are disappointed that GSP did not stand with Serra and destroy him there.

[huh]

What did he say that meant "losing the belt standing as a fluke." and that we was going to validate himself by beating Serra standing?

I mean, maybe I missed an interview or something.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by huh

What did he say that meant "losing the belt standing as a fluke." and that we was going to validate himself by beating Serra standing?

I mean, maybe I missed an interview or something.

Ok. He said he was going to "show a new GSP" (very arrogant, especially for a usual class act like GSP). He said he was going to "answer with his fists". He made up a million excuses about what happened in the first fight, and what happened was is he got beat standing.

He never claimed he was going to stand with Serra. But all his statements leading up to this fight had people thinking in black and white only. The fans were anticipating him to stand with Serra and prove that Serra could not do anything to him on the feet, THEREFORE showing us a "new GSP". See the connection now?

I am not the only one here who probably flipped out when GSP shot in before any exchange on the feet. And then flipped out again when GSP faked a punch and shot in again.

I wanted to see the superstar GSP, the well-rounded guy that can do it all. Why couldn't he have stood with Serra for 2 minutes?

It raises a lot of questions about his mental state. He talked about how his head was fixed by a sports psychologist. Well....wouldn't you want to decimate him for a minute or two on the feet to prove a point?

I feel ripped off, and Im not the only one.

Other then that, great fight. GSP looked as dominate as always. I just can't be comfortable with the fact he was not interested in standing with Serra.

This was worth the buy just for the Starns Quarry fight, I have never genuinely laughed so hard at any sporting event before. Quarry was hilarious and looked almost Anderson Silva-esque in the stand up. Great combinations and speed. Sure Starns was a running punching bag, but Quarry still executed some great kickboxing against a live opponent.

[kcxiv]

Ya know the old saying. A win is a win. By 1 point, by 2 points. By KO, by TKO, by an inch or by a mile. He's still won. Thats all that freaking matters. I highly doubt that GSP gives a fuck if JayRebb isnt to thrilled with him. haha


It was probably just mind games. It usually is with fights. There's no way a fighter or a boxer wants to fight the other fighters fight. Its retarded to do that.

[Lonin]

So much for spoiler tags.

Saying GSP didn't reverse the role is fucking retarded. He dominated Serra in every position. Oh no, he shot right away? Who gives a shit, that was his gameplan, and it obviously worked fantastically. This isn't K1, this is MMA. Now before you start calling me a "GSP nuthugger," I like both GSP and Serra, but it was plain that GSP is on another level than Serra. You make it sound like Serra spent the whole fight picking GSP apart on the feet in their first match, bullshit. Serra got a solid punch in and rocked GSP, and it was basically over after that. To say Serra has superior striking because of those 30 seconds is ridiculous. Oh ya, Serra tapped do to strikes in this fight, so stop using that lame line.

As for the other fights, Starns should never be in a fight again unless he had a legitimate injury or something, in which case he should have let himself get submitted or forfeited. Can't the referee take away points for retreating in a fight? The judges ended up doing it anyway (30-24 lolz), but I would've liked to see the ref do it to maybe curtail it somewhat. Besides that, Quarry looked great. Lutter proved that he shouldn't get another big fight again. Does he do any conditioning at all? He got really close with that armbar, but after the first round he could barely stand, what a joke. Bisping looked really good at 185, but McCarthy did absolutely nothing. Danzig looked great, that was a good fight. I'd like to see more of Bocek. Finally, seeing Herman go to sleep in that choke for submission of the night was great, I hate that fucker.

Overall, it was a decent card, but a lot of the main card fights had fighters that shouldn't have been there frankly. Also, I thought Florian did a good job announcing, although I prefer Rogan.

[gavinrad]

Originally Posted by Lonin

Oh ya, Serra tapped do to strikes in this fight, so stop using that lame line.

See, we were arguing about this after the fight last night. In all the replays, none of us actually saw the tap, so I thought the judge stopped it because he wasn't intelligently defending himself. If there was footage of a tap, hopefully it will end up on Youtube, but I never saw it myself.