Working Out

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by arkael

Did I strike a nerve that you had to comment on my low post count? Go back to trolling.

When I started out I used bodybuilding.com almost exclusively. I know exactly what you're talking about. What you're misunderstanding is not everyone is a bodybuilder and not everyone cares about putting on muscle mass. They just want to look and feel good. You don't have to weigh 200 pounds with 5% body fat to do that.

I understand why someone who weighs so little would want to avoid cardio and put on more mass, cardio burns muscle AND fat and hurts your gains if you mix it with lifting in the wrong way. The thing is, not everyone wants to look like Ronnie Coleman. Cardio is never going to do more bad than good, and is always better than nothing for someone just looking to lose fat.

As brekk said, in not so many words, supplements are bullshit. Creatine is bullshit. Eat healthy and exercise. The point of working out shouldn't be to get huge, it should be to look and feel healthy.



Most people probably aren't gonna read this far down, but what worked for me was like I just said. Eat high protein with healthy carbs and good fats. Omega3 and whole grains. Combine that with any kind of exercise you enjoy doing and push yourself hard, you'll see improvement.

I went back and looked at more posts and it made me want to quote this. The guy who started the thread wasn't looking to bulk up and get cut, he was basically saying he had become a doughy slob and wanted to lose some pounds and get more fit. How chaotic interpreted that as a cry for advice on becoming the incredible hulk I don't know. He sounds like he knows bodybuilding maybe but he missed the mark on what was being asked here. Creatine? The guy just wants to unload the spare tire FFS. What the OP really needs to ignore is crazy talk of taking supplements and avoiding CV. Do all the cardio you can and when it starts to seem easier do more. You'll be better off.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by NoStem

Eat healthy, smaller portions of food often (every 2-3 hours) and try to eat more veggies, fruits, meat and wholegrain and drink more water. When you drink beer make sure you're also drinking water, especially after.

I forgot this and just mentioned that I stopped all the soda. But drink water. I used to snack all day long and the next hardest thing to kicking Mt. Dew was kicking the Pavlovian *must snack now* conditioning. Whenever I wanted to snack I would just keep slugging water until I thought I had to vomit water, then drink some more water. This might be unhealthy for some reason but it worked for me and it is probably not a bad move for cleaning out your kidneys. I doubt you can really drink enough water to do kidney damage, so I would say you can't drink enough water in a day. Most people drink so fucking little that they feel like they are drowning just trying to start drinking a healthy daily amount.

[Chaotic]

Originally Posted by Fammaden

I went back and looked at more posts and it made me want to quote this. The guy who started the thread wasn't looking to bulk up and get cut, he was basically saying he had become a doughy slob and wanted to lose some pounds and get more fit. How chaotic interpreted that as a cry for advice on becoming the incredible hulk I don't know. He sounds like he knows bodybuilding maybe but he missed the mark on what was being asked here. Creatine? The guy just wants to unload the spare tire FFS. What the OP really needs to ignore is crazy talk of taking supplements and avoiding CV. Do all the cardio you can and when it starts to seem easier do more. You'll be better off.

Yea, maybe your right. I think I just have it so forced in my head that THESE_ARE_THE_STAPLES_OF_FITNESS that perhaps I just regurgitate. Like, I see 140lbs and instantly think "unhealthy weight, too low"

Regardless, i'll digress from that and from the no name that attacked me because it's not worth it.

Alot of good information since my last post, but one thing I don't think was addressed that was asked in terms of how to put on healthy weight with normal everyday foods:

Skim milk, oats, cottage cheese, tuna, chicken. Things that are low in carbs but high in protein and calorie content are generally great for adding lean mass. Granted you have some tradeoffs (carbs in milk, sodium in cottage cheese) but those are the best things for adding on some quality poundage.

If all your looking to do is lose your gut, just cut sugar and cardio. It's the easiest thing to do : )

I always envy females that just stand on an eliptical machine for 30min and then leave the gym, while guys are concerned with hitting the 6 different muscle groups in the back alone.

[Algrinon]

Originally Posted by Lejina Bloodbath

I don't understand why someone would say that you must avoid cardio.

I'm in the military and, as everyone in that field of work would tell you, it's our cardio that keep us going. That and a healthy dose of endurance. If you had to chose a single exercice, it should be cardio.

Jog 3-4 days a week and push ups, sit ups, squats every days.
There, dead easy workout schedule that you can complete in like 30-40min.

That won't turn you into Mr Universe, but it's as simple as it get, you will get in better shape and will feel better. Once you have the time to go to a gym or feel like buying some weights, then go on, but the stuff i listed is the very basic that will make a noticiable change after some time.

Sweet Jesus, Mary, and Joeseph. QFT /salute

I am going to pass out now.

[Everlast]

When I used to raid/PvP hardcore I moved my weight bench up in my room (where my PC is) and got a TKO chin up bar for my door. If I sat in queue for 5 minutes I could get a set in or a bunch of chin ups, and since FD made it so I rarely had to go on CRs I could get a nice amount of working out done during raid wipes.

[Algrinon]

It was not uncommon for me to knock 500 push ups out a night (8 hour raid). I would switch between pushups one raid, sit ups (crunches) the next raid, and dips. I have never been good with dips/pull ups due to a shoulder injury, however, I can show up to a Fanguard with pride and not look like a slob.

Yay me.

I have a tread mill, but until the ex is moved out I dont want to try to figure out how to play MMOs while on a treadmill. Could be awesome though.

Thing is to get impact work outs and not be a slouch all day. It isn't tough at all.

[Everlast]

Originally Posted by Algrinon

I have a tread mill, but until the ex is moved out I dont want to try to figure out how to play MMOs while on a treadmill. Could be awesome though.

I tried it with a laptop...bad idea.

However at like 3-4mph with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse I think it could be done, anything that keeps me out of my chair during a raid is $$$.

[Dinthug]

Are you guys still in college? Even if not, what do you cook on a regular basis? Tuna is great for you, but I get sick of it fast. Any suggestions for cheap and/or food that is fast to prepare would be nice, I get sick of the foods I pick out after eatting them constantly for a few months...

[ValkyrieIsAboutToDie]

Originally Posted by Everlast

When I used to raid/PvP hardcore I moved my weight bench up in my room (where my PC is) and got a TKO chin up bar for my door. If I sat in queue for 5 minutes I could get a set in or a bunch of chin ups, and since FD made it so I rarely had to go on CRs I could get a nice amount of working out done during raid wipes.

Ditto. Flightpaths, trash pulls and just sitting around in Orgrimmar is the PERFECT time to get exercise in. Last summer I brought my Bowflex down next to my computer desk along with a jumprope and three sets of freeweights (15, 25, 35) and ended up putting on about 6-7 pounds of muscle on in the course of about three months (without any specific diet). Went from 6 foot, 145 and skinny to 6 foot 153 and upper-body toned in the blink of an eye.

[MVerlie]

True story.

I took literally 4 years off of ANY working out for MMORPGs.

I weighed 190lbs. from drinking infinite sugar drinks / pop all day as I gamed.

One day I bought a 24 pack of water and got hooked.

Since then I have only drank water, cutting my caloric intake down by over 1/2.

I lost over ~30lbs. JUST from going from etc. sugar drink to water, best thing you'll ever do; makes you feel clean.

[Slide]

Lol, that was an interesting set of responses, yeah i'm basically looking to lose the spare tire and sort shit out so that i can run a couple of miles without feeling like dying. I dont want to be some bodybuilder, just in decent shape - and all you saying put weight on, i was 110-120lbs for the longest time and a healthy fucker.

Like I said, will work on cutting the beer out of my diet, maybe eat a bit more fish / chicken and will also start to do some jogging, pushups, squats and curls.

[Lejina Bloodbath]

For the jogging, make sure to go gradually.

Run 1 min, walk 2, run 1, and so on for a total of 15-20 for the first few times.
As you get better, run 2, walk 1, a few days later run 3 walk 1, and so on.

As for the running itself, it should be about the same speed as if you would walk as fast as you can. After a couple weeks, you will easily keep that pace for 20min. Stick to that pace some more, then slowly increase the speed.

You won't help yourself by running too fast. Be gradual. There's no point to make your heart beat at 170+/min

When you walk to get a hold of your breath, do it at a good pace. Yes, you are trying to catch up your breath, but you don't want slow down too much either.

Stretch a lot. Before and after you exercise.
Drink a lot of water, sleep as much as possible and get a good pair of running shoes. Also, don't skip the sit ups, they are "sexy" muscles and they are highly functional, strong abs will spare you are lot of back problems.

[Eomer]

Just wondering what some of the more experienced lifters/exercise gurus feel about Bowflex type machines. I'm not a fat slob, but I could certainly lose my spare tire. That will be done with cardio, if I ever get around to it. I went skiing this weekend, and spent the first 3 hours Saturday skiing in waste deep pow at Lake Louise, it was like a fucking dream. But yeah, by about lunch time the first day (well no, the first run) I realized how badly out of shape my legs are. Sunday, I ski'd a few hours and packed it in because I was just gonna hurt myself, since combining an extremely aggressive skier with totally useless legs = injury sooner or later.

But yeah, just wondering what people think of Bowflexes? Are they good for working your entire body? Just certain parts? I've got a perfect spot for one in my apartment, and they just seem so convenient in comparison to some sort of universal bench and free weights.

[Goldenrod]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Just wondering what some of the more experienced lifters/exercise gurus feel about Bowflex type machines. I'm not a fat slob, but I could certainly lose my spare tire. That will be done with cardio, if I ever get around to it. I went skiing this weekend, and spent the first 3 hours Saturday skiing in waste deep pow at Lake Louise, it was like a fucking dream. But yeah, by about lunch time the first day (well no, the first run) I realized how badly out of shape my legs are. Sunday, I ski'd a few hours and packed it in because I was just gonna hurt myself, since combining an extremely aggressive skier with totally useless legs = injury sooner or later.

But yeah, just wondering what people think of Bowflexes? Are they good for working your entire body? Just certain parts? I've got a perfect spot for one in my apartment, and they just seem so convenient in comparison to some sort of universal bench and free weights.

Although the amount of exercises one can perform on the bowflex is limited, and all of it's resistance is based around a machine and cables, it is certainly better then nothing. I imagine price wise it would be cheaper, then say, buying all different weights of dumbbells, a power rack, barbells, weights, etc etc.

If you do buy one, i'd reccomend getting the best one on the market. Your muscles can only perform an exercise so many times before it gets used to it and basically stops responding (growing) to said exercise. This is obviously an advantage to going to a gym over a bowflex, as their is much for variation that is available in a gym when looking to workout your muscles.

But yeah, for muscle growth, it should serve you well. For a while anyway...

[Angry Amadeus]

If you are afraid of people, buy a treadmill.

Don't drink soda pop or beer, drink water.

Do some pushups and situps, do them all the time.

Run as often as you want, don't hold back.

Eat foods which are high in protein, and vitamins.

...

Enough with the ten pages of advice. Jesus this shit is simple. Put down the joystick.