Fuck Apple.

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by brekk

Why do people think this shit? Their CPUs are Intel, Videocard is Nvidia or ATi, Hard drives one of the big name makers, disc drives big name maker, the screen for the iMac is made by LG. Their motherboards are made by Foxconn and Asus.

The Apple experience is a package you pay a high premium for, and they lock down every aspect of it as much as possible, but the underlying hardware is not special.

I think he was trying to say there are very specific configurations that apples are built for. In a PC, Windows has to work for an exceptionally broad category of devices. Apple restricts this. I've tried to build a Hackintosh before, and everything was great...except for the video card. So it would not work. You can't just install OSX on any old PC.

As someone who works in an industry dealing with configuration management, this really allows them to do a lot more than windows with less. Just by restricting hardware. It's like how console games can end up looking as good as PC games, on hardware that is half as good. Except apple focuses on completely different things than games...

But yeah, their hardware isn't anything special. And they are pretty shitty as a company. For example, when they launched the Macbook Air, the graphics card did not have a dedicated driver and so could only run at about half speed. Which is pretty bad. Whats worse, is they had been using that graphics card in the mac mini for the past year. And still hadn't written a driver for it. Even though they only use maybe 20 different graphics cards.

Also, because OSX has a 3D accelerated boot, you need a specific graphics card to put into a Mac machine. So you need more expensive hardware that isn't necessarily better. Same with RAM.

[Maleficence]

As a macbook pro user about the only thing I've found special in the hardware is the actual aluminum case itself, especially the unibody cases. Aside from that most of the actual hardware is pretty standard or sub-par.

For example, my MBP has had a history of shutting down when running Blizzard games in OS X (Diablo, Warcraft, WoW) and just automatically shutting down (with no warning) when gaming using Boot Camp (even with the fans running at full speed). The only thing that has somewhat addressed the problem is using a dedicated cooling platform.

And don't even get me started on the software throttling down the hardware to reduce heat production given the crappy heat dispersion (and to keep fan noise down). I end up paying for hardware I can't fully utilize because the hardware is incapable at running at the intended performance level. It's like buying a ferrari that overheats at 4000 RPMs.

As a result, I find it very hard to praise any design that does not take into account proper cooling given the components bundled in the machine.

But yeah, they look nice, have great form factor and have a fairly good OS.

[Feien]

Macs are comfortable to use is my belief.

A computer average user is not a gamer or a programmer anymore. The average consumer will use their computer for writing papers, store their photos, check e-mail, browse the web, and maybe editing your typical slide-show video. Macs are very comfortable for all those features. The esthetic is nice. and if you don't want to mess around much with it, it's simple to use, and might run into less hassles than with a PC.

If you are a professional (or prosumer) video editor or photographer, Macs in my opinion, are your best friends. Not that you cannot work on windows, you definitely can, but in my own personal experience I find Adobe's photo software working better on Mac than Windows, and Final Cut Studio is my favorite video editor outside of using a professional AVID studio.

If you are a gamer, you know Mac is not what you want. Sure you can boot camp it, but at the end of the day, you want a PC. But its no excuse to bitch that Mac sucks because it doesn't run games as well as a PC. I mean, if they did, we would see many more games for Mac.

If you are a programmer, its the same story. You know PC's well enough to know that PC is what you want to stick with because it will probably what you are most comfortable with.

Sure... Apple's ads are getting old and annoying. But hey, if its not broken, why fix it right?... my question is why do windows people have to whine so much about the stupid adds... if you dont like it, dont buy it. I'm not saying fuck apple, or fuck windows... i think it comes down to 'fuck people' and fanboys who automatically will say "fuck you all" if someone doesnt agree with their own personal opinion. If Apple is shit, and someone likes Apple and is cocky about it, then let him eat shit then. Same goes for Windows fanboys.

Anyways.. that's my opinion. I use Apple cuz I edit video. I'm willing to try Windows 7. But at this point I'm very comfortable with my MacBook Pro

[Wolfen]

/shrug I use a 17" Macbook Pro and love it. I use PC's all day long at work, but when I come home, I prefer the Mac.

[Darus Grey]

Originally Posted by Daerath

Microsoft invested $150 million in Apple back in 1997. It wasn't Bill's personal cash. As for Apple being worth more than Microsoft, that is definitely not true. Apple's total stock value at the current market value (before trading opens today) is $167,229,606,250. Microsoft's is $278,787,179,580.

This thread is gay.

You're right, it's definitely not true...and I'm pretty sure no one ever said it was.

[Evelys]

My work machine is a MBP. I love it. OSX is great, hardware works, it survived a pretty nasty drop from the roof of a car, etc. I really don't have any complaints about working on one (I'm a Linux admin).

I also don't see it being worth the premium, and I doubt I'll ever purchase a Mac. It's a lot handier than a Windows or Linux environment for work, but it's nothing that I couldn't replicate in the other environments with minimal effort.

[Leadsalad]

Originally Posted by Zerai

As someone who works in an industry dealing with configuration management, this really allows them to do a lot more than windows with less. Just by restricting hardware. It's like how console games can end up looking as good as PC games, on hardware that is half as good.

Because the consoles run games at 1/2 to 1/3rd the resolution of the PC with no AA or filtering turned on. :/

A properly set up PC will be identically as fast as a Mac, if not faster. Newer driver releases are Windows native and don't need to be ported over to OS-X first.

[Darus Grey]

Originally Posted by Negative Internet

Are you fucking retarded? You said Apple was worth more.

Originally Posted by Darus Grey

Bill Gates invested 150~mil back in...uh 97/98? When Steve Jobs first returned to Apple.

It was significant then since the company was only worth a few billion at the time, now apple is worth alot more compared to Microsoft(200bil~ vs 300 bil~).

So yes, it's true.

"NOW Apple is worth alot more compared to Microsoft" I AM REFERENCING A PREVIOUS STATE. One in which Apple was worth only a few billion at a time compared to Microsoft still being worth 100~bil+

The state changed so that Apple is now worth significantly more compared to Microsoft. This is comparing the states and noting that the gap has decreased.

Do I have to start following every post with a semantic analysis so some of you morons can understand?

I can't believe like 5 of you had issues with that. Took me this long to figure out wtf you guys were talking about because it was so stupid. I now know better and in the future will make sure to never make one sentence reference a previous one, lest it confuse the masses.
Also, referencing the neg, not bitching about it.

[Zyth]

Yeah, communicating poorly then getting mad when no one understands is all the rage.

[ToeMissile]

Originally Posted by Zyth

Yeah, communicating poorly then getting mad when no one understands is all the rage.

This. And only partially to be an ass, but mostly cause I'm genuinely curious...

Darus, English isn't your primary language is it? Sure as hell doesn't seem like it. You keep saying "Apple is worth alot more compared to Microsoft" when it seems you mean to say that "Apple has grown a lot faster" or something to that effect

[kasey]

I don't get Steve Jobbs. He should use this opportunity to establish a fair market share in the pc segment. But noo the clown is running the premium method and artificially keeps the company smaller but with a higher profitability. If i would be him i would target micrsoft and kill em off. Windows is about as good as workbench on amiga but workbench fit on a 770kb disc (did i mention the multi tasking i did in 1994 with workbench was way better then this vista-pain i experience now) ><

[Darus Grey]

Originally Posted by ToeMissile

This. And only partially to be an ass, but mostly cause I'm genuinely curious...

Darus, English isn't your primary language is it? Sure as hell doesn't seem like it. You keep saying "Apple is worth alot more compared to Microsoft" when it seems you mean to say that "Apple has grown a lot faster" or something to that effect

No, I said "Now Apple is worth alot more compared to Microsoft" not, "Apple is worth alot more compared to Microsoft". edit: I just want to add, that in my previous post, I made this distinction explicit by emphasizing NOW, since to me it was clear that people were dropping now from the sentence and doing exactly what you did in their minds, in doing so, they're dropping the referent that links to previous material. I mean to say, that that essentially confirms it was the listeners at fault, not the speaker. Since I don't think there is a phenomenon at play, I'm assuming it's coincidence that there were so many.

The fact that people keep doing what you did is what to me as a linguist, is absolutely bizarre, you're dropping an important part of the semantic template simply for the express purpose of taking it out of context. Those two sentences are perfectly grammatical, no syntax errors, referents point to what they should.

On top of that, you think people would pick up on the fact that I ended it with (200bil~ vs 300bil~)

Since Apple is mentioned first in the previous sentence it's the antecedent to 200, and MS second, it's the antecedent to 300.

Since I am a linguist, and this stuff actually intrigues me, I asked everyone I met so far today what they thought those two sentences meant(and most of them are used to this >.>), cause who knows, maybe there's an actual phenomenon there.

Not surprisingly everyone gave me the intended interpretation.

This leaves 3 possible(if not anecdotal) conclusions:

#1. My Dialect( (American English->Northern Cities English-> Western NY English-> Buffalonian)) is distinct and a expressly allows cross-sentence comparatives, where as the dialect of all those who had issues does not.
(This ones incredibly unlikely, if true, it's doctoral dissertation material)

#2. I am speaking in a register far above everyone else.
(Also unlikely, since I know about where my register stands).

#3. Several people in a single thread, as a matter of coincidence, all managed to take the wrong meaning of a grammatical sentence.

I'm betting #3. Which is why my previous post is a comment on my surprise as to how poorly it reflects on those individuals; since there's clearly enough information to interpret those sentences correctly.

[Devlin]

#4. Some people are fucking stupid and end up trolling themselves because they can't read what others type.

[lendarios]

Originally Posted by tomodachi

Or something like: grep 'from=<' mail.log | awk '{ print $7 }' | sort | uniq -c | head?

I heard about this application called Outlook Express that allows to sort your emails, browse and read them. all in a nice GUI.
You should look into it.

[ToeMissile]

Originally Posted by Darus Grey

No, I said "Now Apple is worth alot more compared to Microsoft" not, "Apple is worth alot more compared to Microsoft". edit: I just want to add, that in my previous post, I made this distinction explicit by emphasizing NOW

The issue is the underlined portion, it can be rewritten as "Apple total $ > Microsoft total $", and that statement is incorrect. Microsoft has more and makes more money than Apple. Is one share of Apple stock > one share of Microsoft stock? Yes, Apple is kicking ass and taking names atm, but their TOTAL VALUE IS LESS, not MORE.