72 year old lady tazed

[kasey]

WoW just wow, the responses of the people on this board are even more mind boggling then the actual issue at hand. And please, call me a hippy. I will show my friends this post because they will laugh while shaking their heads. I am a conservative right wing nut btw.

That lady is a bitch and deserved jail but not this brutal force. Fuck, its an old women you retards. This is the outcome when dumb young hillbillys do this job.

BUT BUT SHE DIDNT DO WHAT I TOLD HER TOO!!1

[Zennin]

Originally Posted by CyrusReij

Are they allowed to do that, can't you show them the ticket you JUST received or something?

The second cop didn't give me a ticket, cause I was like "BRO - CHECK IT" and handed him the slip I got a seriously like 4 minutes before that. He laughed at me

[FulorianC]

Originally Posted by CyrusReij

Are they allowed to do that, can't you show them the ticket you JUST received or something?

He said he only got 7 tickets out of being pulled over 11 times. Presumably those 4 scot-free events would have been the duplicate moments.

[Invisus]

Originally Posted by CyrusReij

Are they allowed to do that, can't you show them the ticket you JUST received or something?

You can get pulled over as often as they want. If you're ticketed for an offense, and the offense is an equipment/registration violation, chances are you're not going to get a second ticket if you show the officer the first one. And if you do, the judge is most likely going to dismiss the second one. Most departments have polices, or at the very least, unwritten rules about ticketing someone who just received a ticket for a non-moving violation.

We give 10 days here.

For a moving violation, however, you're out of luck. I had a lady speeding approximately 30 over, ticketed her, and she peeled out squeeling her tires after the stop and romped on the gas. Stopped her again and ticketed her again.

Radio traffic* 304 -I'll be 10-8 with a ticket, and on a second traffic stop with that same vehicle. Sarge, you might want to head this way.

[aychamo_aycono]

Originally Posted by Invisus

For a moving violation, however, you're out of luck. I had a lady speeding approximately 30 over, ticketed her, and she peeled out squeeling her tires after the stop and romped on the gas. Stopped her again and ticketed her again.

Hahaha, that's such a dickhead thing to do, but I would do the *exact* same thing if I were a cop.

Originally Posted by Invisus

Radio traffic* 304 -I'll be 10-8 with a ticket, and on a second traffic stop with that same vehicle. Sarge, you might want to head this way.

I don't understand this

[Zeste]

Every time I get pulled over, here is now it goes:

- I see cop walking up to my car in my side mirror. My license, registration, insurance, and concealed firearm permit are already in hand. Window is already fully down.

- Cop says "Can I see your license and registration please?"

- I immediately say "Yes officer I must inform you I have a Utah Concealed Firearm Permit and am presently carrying a firearm." Notice there's no period or comma after officer. I get the permit issue out as quickly as possible.

- Cop always says "That's fine, where is your weapon located?"

- I say either "In my center console here" or "In a holster on my hip."

- Cop always says "Just leave it there."

- Goes to car, gives me a warning, and says "Have a nice day. By the way, what are you carrying?"

- To which I reply either a S&W 638 or a H&K USP .45.

[Invisus]

Originally Posted by aychamo_aycono

Hahaha, that's such a dickhead thing to do, but I would do the *exact* same thing if I were a cop.



I don't understand this

304 is unit number. 10-8 is in serivce. Basically, I'll be back in service from that traffic stop, a ticket has been issued. Also, I'll be stopping that same vehicle again. Sarge, head this way because this lady is going to be displeased with my dedication to traffic enforcement.

[Eomer]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

It's not the cop's fault you're breaking laws. He shouldn't have to put up with your bullshit when he catches you doing it. Take your fucking attitude and shut the fuck up, and you'll be just fine, and probably walk away from the situation taze free. Until videos start being posted of people being respectful and cooperative with cops getting tazed, I'm not gonna get too riled up about the situation because they reap what they sow.

So the suicidal dude who got suicided by the fucking retarded cop, that's cool? What about the Polish dude in Vancouver's airport who was tazed within 45 seconds of the RCMP approaching him, despite not being violent or threatening (he couldn't speak english). There's videos for both of those. Or the unconscious kid who had fallen from an overpass and "failed to respond to commands" and was tazed repeatedly?

There's a huge number of examples where people WERE NOT being belligerent or uncooperative with law enforcement, where tazers were employed unjustifiably. Again, this goes back to policies on their use. They need to be changed. They should absolutely NOT be used as a coercive tool, period. They should be viewed as an alternative to lethal force, not an "I WIN THE ARGUMENT" button.

[Invisus]

Originally Posted by Eomer

There's a huge number of examples where people WERE NOT being belligerent or uncooperative with law enforcement, where tazers were employed unjustifiably. Again, this goes back to policies on their use. They need to be changed. They should absolutely NOT be used as a coercive tool, period. They should be viewed as an alternative to lethal force, not an "I WIN THE ARGUMENT" button.

There are a huge number of examples all levels of force are used when not justified, not only the taser. And of those, many were outside of department policies and resulted in discipline of the officer.

The way the use of force policy is written for my department, the taser is considered an intermediate weapon and is on the same level as OC spray and the baton.

The taser is a tool that can be used as an alternative to deadly force, when it is safe to use as an alternative. If someone is coming at me with a knife, he's getting shot. A baseball bat, at distance, and I might consider the taser instead of the pistol.

A taser is really the ideal situation when someone is resisting arrest and the alternative is to go "hands-on". And I promise, being given the choice of the taser, OC spray, or a baton strike, the taser is the best option for both the officer and the subject.

I do think that their use has become too common, with too many officers relying on them in too many situations, especially in situations where deadly force may be required. I hate rolling up on a scene with a possibly armed subject and see that multiple officers have their tasers drawn, with no one covering the subject with a firearm.

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by Eomer

So the suicidal dude who got suicided by the fucking retarded cop, that's cool? What about the Polish dude in Vancouver's airport who was tazed within 45 seconds of the RCMP approaching him, despite not being violent or threatening (he couldn't speak english). There's videos for both of those. Or the unconscious kid who had fallen from an overpass and "failed to respond to commands" and was tazed repeatedly?

There's a huge number of examples where people WERE NOT being belligerent or uncooperative with law enforcement, where tazers were employed unjustifiably. Again, this goes back to policies on their use. They need to be changed. They should absolutely NOT be used as a coercive tool, period. They should be viewed as an alternative to lethal force, not an "I WIN THE ARGUMENT" button.

It is sad. Unfortunatley, law enforcement is a quantity, not quality institution. Ex jocks and people who couldn't hack it in the public sector are 80% of them, and the 20% who are good, rational, effective officers move up the ranks and aren't the ones handing out tickets and tazering people.


Best part is, these cops killing people with their tazers are probably making what, $28,000 a year? No college degree, average IQ, less than 6 months of formal training... but shit give them a fucking lightning gun.


I often think about joining law enforcement, but I really don't think I could handle being around the Neanderthals all day.

[Eomer]

Wow, cops are that poorly paid in parts of the US. I have no idea what the national average is, but cops in Western Canada start out making at least 60k a year, I believe. it's one of the better jobs out there for someone without a university education, and they're extremely selective about who can make it. A guy who works for me tried to get in, and was rejected on the grounds that when asked what the most alcohol he had consumed in an evening in the past two years was 8 beers (he lied, of course, it was probably double). That was enough for them to reject him.

The way the use of force policy is written for my department, the taser is considered an intermediate weapon and is on the same level as OC spray and the baton.

And that I have a problem with, due to the fact that a certain (very small, admittedly) percentage of people can be killed by tazers, whereas the likelihood of dieing from OC spray or being whacked with a baton are much, much less likely.

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Wow, cops are that poorly paid in parts of the US. I have no idea what the national average is, but cops in Western Canada start out making at least 60k a year, I believe.

My city is pretty small, like maybe 50,000 population in the jurisdiction that the black and whites patrol. But yeah, around here, being a uniformed cop means you are living in the shitty parts of town getting paid 13-14 bucks and hour, maybe a little more if you have gone up in rank.

It is sorta sad, and the main reason I never pursued a career in it. You drive around town, and you always see the cops patrol cars (they can drive them home) parked at their houses... houses with no garage and usually just a covered carport, if that, in the shitty parts of town.

No degree required, not even an assosciates (2 year). You just need to pass a test, and then apply for jobs with the departments. If you get picked, they put you through POST (the 6 month training course) and then you're can be a police officer. There's rarely new jobs, so most people who want to do it start out working for the Sheriffs department as jail guars for $9.50 an hour.


I looked into it in great detail, it would have been around a 60% paycut from what I do now.

[Vader]

Whatever happened to using good judgment calls. Just because you can, doesnt mean you DO IT ALL THE TIME.

[Invisus]

Selective departments often pay more and have better personnel. My department has a couple of the meatheads, but most of the sworn are good guys with educations and quality officers. The pay isn't great, better than some and worse than others.

I have a very nice apartment, a decent car, no debt, and can pay the bills every month with some left over. I like going to work every day and I like what I do.

Not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but it isn't so bad.

[Hasto]

Granted he could have tried a bit harder to handcuff the old bitty. But it wasn't completely unjustified for him to use the tazer. She knocked the handcuffs out of his hands right before he actually used it. He had to block her from walking out in front of traffic which put both of them in danger. He had to consider the fact that if he actually tried to force the cuffs on her, he could have seriously injured her. And judging by her attitude, she would have resisted more and he would have had to force her to the ground which increases the chance of her getting injured based on her age and how much larger he is than her. The tazer was the best way to get her under control in this situation with the least chance of injury to her. And obviously she is fine judging by that interview.