sappy stories from the bible - Page 8

Chips · 05-13-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Round

Notheren Cross.

I don't see any cross. I do however see the Northern Cock n Balls

Supacheal · 05-13-2009, 12:48 PM

I have had this discussion multiple times with friends and I do agree with much of what has been said here about the problems with religion, the bible, and everything else that has been spewed here on this thread. I never fully bought into Christianity even when I was a kid and was forced to go to church and to a protestant school. Now that I have some education and can make more of an informed decision about how I feel.

The problem I have is that I know religion is BS and I know religion is half the reason wars are started and much of the bloodshed throughout history, but I still have respect for it. I still go to church once in awhile, not because I believe in the literal message, but because some of what churches stand for are good messages in general. Hey! Don't kill someone else or rob him! Be nice to people and try not to lie to them. There are quite a few messages that are preached and you can absolutely argue that you can get these values outside of the church but there are also some decent people that go to church. Not the bible beaters and hell raisers but the normal everyday dude that will give you a ride if your car is broken down or go out of their way to help someone or say hi to someone.

If you want to beat the average person down with logic on how religion is bullshit, go for it. But I don't understand all the hate that comes with it.

Moontayle · 05-14-2009, 08:00 AM

In 1400 B.C., a group of nervous Egyptians saw the Nile turn red. But what they thought was blood was actually an algae bloom which killed the fish, which prior to that had been living off the eggs of frogs. Those uneaten eggs turned into record numbers of baby frogs who subsequently fled to the land and died. Their little rotting frog bodies attracted lice and flies. The lice carried the bluetongue virus, which killed 70% of Egypt's livestock. The flies carried glanders, a bacterial infection which in humans causes boils. Soon afterwards, the Nile River Valley was hit with a three-day sandstorm otherwise known as the plague of darkness. During the sandstorm, intense heat can combine with an approaching cold front to create not only hail, but also electrical storms which would have looked to the ancient Egyptians like fire from the sky. The subsequent wind would have blown the Ethiopian locust population off course and right into downtown Cairo. Hail is wet, locusts leave droppings spread both on grain, and you have got mycotoxins. Dinnertime in ancient Egypt meant the first-born child got the biggest portion which in this case meant he ate the most toxins, so he died. Ten plagues. Ten scientific explanations.

And all that from a rather shitty movie.

Himeo · 05-14-2009, 01:11 PM

Instead of making a post-worthy contribution to this thread, I got a blowjob from my woman. FYI

Have a nice day.

James · 05-14-2009, 03:02 PM

You got robbed, dog.

Rush · 05-14-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Himeo

Instead of making a post-worthy contribution to this thread, I got a blowjob from my woman. FYI

Have a nice day.

HEATHEN DOG, THOU HAST ENGAGED IN SEXUAL DEVIANCY BEFORE MARRIAGE. THOU SHALT SPEND A THOUSAND LIFETIMES BURNING IN HELL, LEST THEE MAKE A DONATION TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN MY NAME!

-Thanks!

God

Runnen · 05-14-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rush

HEATHEN DOG, THOU HAST ENGAGED IN SEXUAL DEVIANCY BEFORE MARRIAGE. THOU SHALT SPEND A THOUSAND LIFETIMES BURNING IN HELL, LEST THEE MAKE A DONATION TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN MY NAME!

-Thanks!

God

George Zimmer, is that you?

Smac · 05-14-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Supacheal

There are quite a few messages that are preached and you can absolutely argue that you can get these values outside of the church but there are also some decent people that go to church. Not the bible beaters and hell raisers but the normal everyday dude that will give you a ride if your car is broken down or go out of their way to help someone or say hi to someone.

If you want to beat the average person down with logic on how religion is bullshit, go for it. But I don't understand all the hate that comes with it.

As an atheist, I don't really think of it as "beating people down with logic". I just wonder why we can't have the positive aspects of church that you mentioned without abusing our children by telling them to spend the rest of their lives believing in fairy tales and that it is okay to hate people who don't believe the same illogical stuff that they do.

I guess people just wouldn't be interested if they dropped the bullshit supernatural stuff and started calling it "good social skills lessons place" instead of "church" and stopped promising people everlasting happiness after they die as long as they never question anything written two thousand years ago.

Lost Ranger · 05-14-2009, 10:03 PM

One thing I have never understood is why the cross became a holy symbol and something people would worship. Lets just say for the sake of argument Jesus and God are 100% real... why would you worship the device that Christ was brutally murdered on? I don't see how that is showing devotion or respect to anyone. If Jesus had been killed last year would people be wearing little golden electric chairs around their necks too? I know not all Christian group use the cross as a holy symbol but those space pictures just made me think of it.

Mario Speedwagon · 05-15-2009, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

One thing I have never understood is why the cross became a holy symbol and something people would worship. Lets just say for the sake of argument Jesus and God are 100% real... why would you worship the device that Christ was brutally murdered on? I don't see how that is showing devotion or respect to anyone. If Jesus had been killed last year would people be wearing little golden electric chairs around their necks too? I know not all Christian group use the cross as a holy symbol but those space pictures just made me think of it.

Skip to 2:49.

GrobbeeTrull2.0 · 05-15-2009, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

One thing I have never understood is why the cross became a holy symbol and something people would worship. Lets just say for the sake of argument Jesus and God are 100% real... why would you worship the device that Christ was brutally murdered on? I don't see how that is showing devotion or respect to anyone. If Jesus had been killed last year would people be wearing little golden electric chairs around their necks too? I know not all Christian group use the cross as a holy symbol but those space pictures just made me think of it.

It's like taking the "N" word back.

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I just wonder why we can't have the positive aspects of church that you mentioned without abusing our children by telling them to spend the rest of their lives believing in fairy tales and that it is okay to hate people who don't believe the same illogical stuff that they do.

Fortunately, I also use the worst-case scenarios to justify and rationalize my hatred of particular groups of individuals. That's what I'm an enlightened thinker.

aychamo_aycono · 05-17-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

That's what I'm an enlightened thinker.

Unfortunately you aren't an enlightened speller!

Carino · 05-20-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

One thing I have never understood is why the cross became a holy symbol and something people would worship. Lets just say for the sake of argument Jesus and God are 100% real... why would you worship the device that Christ was brutally murdered on? I don't see how that is showing devotion or respect to anyone. If Jesus had been killed last year would people be wearing little golden electric chairs around their necks too? I know not all Christian group use the cross as a holy symbol but those space pictures just made me think of it.

I don't believe that the bible is true and 100% fact at all, but I admire it as a piece of literature (with all of its metaphor, symbolism, etc.). There's a reason it shows up on the Literature GRE test.

To answer your question: Christians believe that at the moment of Christ's crucifixion on the cross, all of the sins that you, me, and all the rest of humanity will ever commit was heaped upon him. Since he was the only human to ever live without committing a single sin -- to be tempted but constantly, repeatedly conquering those temptations and never giving in a single time -- he was the only possible human to bear all of these sins (in much the same way as he carried the cross to the execution site). It was through his death on the cross, the most selfless, thankless act in human history, that all of humanity has the opportunity for salvation.

Thus the cross is symbolic of the sins that we have committed and will commit that are already forgiven due to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Again, I don't necessarily believe that all of the Bible is 100% fact, but I do believe it deserves at least some respect as a very rich piece of literature, even if huge swaths of it are garbage (or the messages are completely inapplicable to a modern audience).

Saidin · 05-20-2009, 10:25 AM

Even if it turned out that all of that GOD stuff was bullshit, the man Jesus actually walked the earth at one point. I doubt he did all of the miracle shit and is the son of your God... but if he really carried a cross across the entire city and bled to death believing that he did it for us... I owe him a beer in whatever comes after death.

The Ancient · 05-20-2009, 10:57 AM

Just one beer though, don't want to waste all your angelbucks.

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05-13-2009, 12:48 PM	#107 (permalink)
Supacheal Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 36 -4 Internets	I have had this discussion multiple times with friends and I do agree with much of what has been said here about the problems with religion, the bible, and everything else that has been spewed here on this thread. I never fully bought into Christianity even when I was a kid and was forced to go to church and to a protestant school. Now that I have some education and can make more of an informed decision about how I feel. The problem I have is that I know religion is BS and I know religion is half the reason wars are started and much of the bloodshed throughout history, but I still have respect for it. I still go to church once in awhile, not because I believe in the literal message, but because some of what churches stand for are good messages in general. Hey! Don't kill someone else or rob him! Be nice to people and try not to lie to them. There are quite a few messages that are preached and you can absolutely argue that you can get these values outside of the church but there are also some decent people that go to church. Not the bible beaters and hell raisers but the normal everyday dude that will give you a ride if your car is broken down or go out of their way to help someone or say hi to someone. If you want to beat the average person down with logic on how religion is bullshit, go for it. But I don't understand all the hate that comes with it.

05-14-2009, 08:00 AM	#108 (permalink)
Moontayle Brilliant! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,821	In 1400 B.C., a group of nervous Egyptians saw the Nile turn red. But what they thought was blood was actually an algae bloom which killed the fish, which prior to that had been living off the eggs of frogs. Those uneaten eggs turned into record numbers of baby frogs who subsequently fled to the land and died. Their little rotting frog bodies attracted lice and flies. The lice carried the bluetongue virus, which killed 70% of Egypt's livestock. The flies carried glanders, a bacterial infection which in humans causes boils. Soon afterwards, the Nile River Valley was hit with a three-day sandstorm otherwise known as the plague of darkness. During the sandstorm, intense heat can combine with an approaching cold front to create not only hail, but also electrical storms which would have looked to the ancient Egyptians like fire from the sky. The subsequent wind would have blown the Ethiopian locust population off course and right into downtown Cairo. Hail is wet, locusts leave droppings spread both on grain, and you have got mycotoxins. Dinnertime in ancient Egypt meant the first-born child got the biggest portion which in this case meant he ate the most toxins, so he died. Ten plagues. Ten scientific explanations. And all that from a rather shitty movie.

05-14-2009, 01:11 PM	#109 (permalink)
Himeo Memento mori. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Riverside, Ca Posts: 973 -5 Internets	Instead of making a post-worthy contribution to this thread, I got a blowjob from my woman. FYI Have a nice day.

05-14-2009, 10:03 PM	#114 (permalink)
Lost Ranger Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,003 -4 Internets	One thing I have never understood is why the cross became a holy symbol and something people would worship. Lets just say for the sake of argument Jesus and God are 100% real... why would you worship the device that Christ was brutally murdered on? I don't see how that is showing devotion or respect to anyone. If Jesus had been killed last year would people be wearing little golden electric chairs around their necks too? I know not all Christian group use the cross as a holy symbol but those space pictures just made me think of it.

05-20-2009, 10:25 AM	#119 (permalink)
Saidin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 420 -82 Internets	Even if it turned out that all of that GOD stuff was bullshit, the man Jesus actually walked the earth at one point. I doubt he did all of the miracle shit and is the son of your God... but if he really carried a cross across the entire city and bled to death believing that he did it for us... I owe him a beer in whatever comes after death.