sappy stories from the bible

[bmarcus]

The fact that there is even such a thing as translation issues in what is supposed to be the holy word of god just makes religion and bibles and dieties that much more ludicrous.

[Snugglebear]

Originally Posted by bmarcus

The fact that there is even such a thing as translation issues in what is supposed to be the holy word of god just makes religion and bibles and dieties that much more ludicrous.

Well, the King James version of the Bible had different translations, because 'sky' in Latin or Hebrew could be translated into courtly English as 'heavens' and other odd things. So tiny changes can distort the meaning. This link shows some of the verses:

10 strange verses in the Bible - Amidst a tangled web

Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

And he went up from thence unto Beth-el: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

I like the second one because 'she bears' is scarier.

[Sutekh]

So.. the lord has warlocks now?

[Tortfeasor]

Originally Posted by bmarcus

The fact that there is even such a thing as translation issues in what is supposed to be the holy word of god just makes religion and bibles and dieties that much more ludicrous.

I wouldn't say ludicrous, just unreliable - especially if you're going to go to great lengths to persuade people that you aren't full of shit. Round is arguing that his bible is so different than the one that the founding father's had, that one "translation" is logically consistent and the other isn't. There is a lot of scientific logical evidence that a diety (used loosely) exists, but trying to prove that Jesus and his dad are God by citing an incredibly old book with (according to Round) VERY different translations is obviously ineffective. Sadly, its usually all that christians have to cling to because their God doesn't talk to them.

[Chips]

Jesus needs to come down, party in Vegas for a couple weeks, cure some blindness, give back amputees their limbs, make it rain frogs in New York, write a new book, smite some heathens, and then GTFO so we can continue to live our lives in sin.

But he won't because he doesn't exist. So everyone will continue waiting and brain washing our children to believe in the adult version of Santa in a never ending cycle of some guy 2000 years ago writing the first book on how to troll humans and trick them into giving you money (tip: tell them if they don't they will burn in a place that cannot be proven and exists only in your mind).

[Stoerm]

Originally Posted by Round

you must be careful with what you call contradictions. Translations vary. But heres what my book says, and its the New International Version

Acts 9:7 The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone.

Acts 22:9 My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me.


alright, now refer a couple verses earlier in both passages. In chapter 9 verse 3 it says " As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. ". Then verse 8 " Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. ". The light flashed, and he closed his eyes.

Now chapter 22 is chapter 9 but in this instance it was being explained to people, so the perspective will be a bit different because he used his companions as reference. So it's third person. verse 9 " My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me. ". Ok, so they saw the light, confirmed.

Chapter 9 was first person. But it did mention the light. A flash of light, that blinded Paul. His companions heard the voice, but no one was there. Chapter 22 confirmed the light flash, and the voice. In this passage which is later on, his companions confirmed to him the flash of light, and the voice. They told him there indeed was a voice, they heard of it too, but it was of an unknown language to them.

No contradiction there. Just translation issues.

I wish you were trolling. Let us know how things work out with you and your divine being down the road.

[Zhavric]

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[Round]

Originally Posted by Tortfeasor

KJV 9:7
And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
KJV Acts 22:9
And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

A. Heard a voice.
B. Did Not hear a voice.

....How long have you been reading KJV? What you have written above is not a contradiction. It goes along with my translation. " they heard not the voice of him that spake to me " or how about " They didnt see the man where the voice was coming from. ".

It's all gravy.

[Drave]

Irony is ironic...

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

[aychamo_aycono]

Originally Posted by Tortfeasor

There is a lot of scientific logical evidence that a diety (used loosely) exists, but trying to prove that Jesus and his dad are God by citing an incredibly old book with (according to Round) VERY different translations is obviously ineffective..

Err, I've never seen any scientific evidence that suggest a diety of any sort exists.

(Preface: I am an atheist.) I've always believed that what made religion beautiful for people is that it's entirely based on faith. Faith by definition is belief without logical reasoning. If there was evidence that 100% supported that a god existed then faith wouldn't be beautiful - because there wouldn't be any deep meaning in maintaining a god belief. Just like it doesn't mean anything to believe in gravity.

[Sutekh]

Can we just let this thread die now?

Stop trying to troll my negs as well :P

[aychamo_aycono]

Originally Posted by Sutekh

Can we just let this thread die now?

Stop trying to troll my negs as well :P

We haven't even started flaming people yet. And no one's referenced my dead gf either.

[Believe]

Round you skipped my post

How is God commanding people not to murder...then later...ordering them to murder, not a contradiction?

[Alcestis]

Wow.

Any contradictions you bring up will quickly be put into a Google search in order to explain them, so even if you're not fighting against Round's logic you will be fighting against some random idiot on the internet's "logic". There are whole sites and networks dedicated to debunking biblical contradictions. Even if he wasn't already a troll, he'll win by attrition.

Anything that can't be explained by said search will fall into one of four explanations:

• Obviously, it's a translation error. Related - Obviously, it's taken out of context. It was justified if you read (insert number here) lines/books/testaments back.
• Obviously, God loves us and he was acting within the capacity of a "father role" when smiting X. It hurts him to commit mass genocide like spanking the kid hurts the parent. Really.
• Obviously, you're just an atheist/agnostic/moron and couldn't understand even if I explained it.
  
  And if all that fails, the IWIN button:
  
• Obviously, the Bible was written by mortals. Their memory or transliteration may have been sketchy. BUT NOT GOD'S IT DOESN'T COUNT I SHAN'T KILL MYSELF

I guarantee it. Just let the thread die.

[Yermum Onceme]

Why can't christians just believe in a god that kicks ass? Why all these justifications? Fuck with god's prophet, bears will maul your children. Whine about it and he'll send the snakes.