Religion, etc

[aychamo_aycono]

Hello all. Just FYI - Screenshot's is my general forum

I dont know what everyone's opinion is on relgion, etc.

To be honest, my beleifs are rather weak. I don't happily attend church, and just about won't go unless I'm forced to with family (ie Easter, Christmas).

But my pet peave with religious people are the ones who think that if you aren't their particular religion, that you are wrong and are going to Hell. That makes me sick.

I foudn this page: http://www.catholicbychoice.com

And on there there is a part where the author writes:

Many of us know people who are always with their head down, without knowing where they will go next or where they are heading in the future. However, these people turn out to be hopeless, to not have any reason in life, because they have not found that motivation we Christians have. Why's that? because we believe and know that Jesus is always with us and no matter what troubles we go through he leads our way.

Reading shit like that makes me want to vomit. I can't explain it, but the audacity of the author to write "these people turn out to be hopeless and have no reason in life". God that makes me sick. I dont know man.......... I'm not even sure the point of me posting.

[BalzWeiss]

Whoever wrote that hasn't grasped some of the simple teachings of Christianity. I personally attend Church every Sunday and my pastor is very respectful to other religions, and on the whole he is a learned man. I actually used to hate going to Church, but now I don't mind it so much and I find the sermons intersting. Listening to what priests have to say about life really helps put things in perspective. I think if you can, you should give religion a try. It might not change your life, but sometimes it's nice to hear what other people have to say.

[Keed]

Thats because it's Catholicism not Christianity

[phatboy]

that really annoys me is when people make statements in haste about subjects they don't fully understand.

As far as religion goes no one can tell you why one is better then the other, or has more of a claim to the truth of things. I'd suggest picking up a copy of the bible and reading it for yourself before you pass any sort of judgement on Protestants or Catholics.

And remember, the person who wrote that statement is expressing his own opinions and views, not those of the entire Catholic community. Even though I disagree with the worship of Mary as a god on par with Jesus, I find most Catholic's to be good natured and not condescending as this person is. Its a bad move to make sweeping generalized judgements of a religion by one persons actions, see Islam for further details.

phat

[Ecksi]

As a right man, a holy man, a Christian man, what I have read here today offends my eyes and my precious and dirty loins. Aychamo your blasphemy is like a giant pulsating erection from a young chior boy that begs physical attention.

First of all, you choose to attack a religion that is based upon paintings. That is right, I am referring to Catholoc... Catholici... well the religion where they beat off to virigin women holding young delicious boys. They believe that Jesus had his heart viciously ripped out by a rabid lion and wrapped in pointy thorns by some "Orient." Did you realize that JESUS is the son of GOD? How could his heart be ripped out?

I refer you to James 32:1, "And God did speaketh, 'Let thou who have 100 years of hay not devour the heart of my living son, Jesus' and the villagers did yawn, the children did play, and thus it became law."

And least you not forget Penistilius 5:80, "And the sewers were sewing, and the beasts were fornicating. The sky opened up, and a voice boomed out from the heavens, 'Thou shalt not fornicate before marrige, Thou shalt not marry without giving the holy church money or gold,' and thus, the animals stopped giving sweet sweet love to eachother because it was wrong, and the villagers did give thier last pence to the church."

So the question remains, my inept opponent, did you wake up this morning and pray to God? When you were showering yourself and touching your dirty dirty testicles were you thinking of how God makes the water warm or cold? When you walked out side were you constantly staring strait at the sun, hoping to see God? If you answered no to any of these questions, then you truly have no direction in life, and I pity you.

Being a bible scholar ( I attended church school every wednesday for at least 2 weeks ) I have come up with a composite image of how God looks, according to descriptions in the good book...

[Keed]

Ecksi thats just calling for that fucktard Actovus to come out of hiding.

[aychamo_aycono]

Actually I like what I am reading so far, stuff from both sides, and then from whatever side Ecksi was on (I was like oh shit i pissed him off, at first ).

I worry some ppl might get offended and start flamming, but i'd really really love to see what everyone's thoughts on religion is.

[Anarchy]

Stop watching simpsons Ecksi. =p

Every religion believes that it is the correct one. Some are monotheistic based and worship God (Christianity, Judaism, Islam). Others polytheistic and worship many gods (Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.) They all have the same basic objective of leading a good life. Mostly because of after you die, you will either go to a "happy" place, or a "bad" place. I find it wrong to call someone a bad person of they are not part of a specific religion. I personally do not judge a person by their religion, nor do I think it should matter. What kind of a freakin person is that (on the site) to say such bullshit. He can have fun preaching, while his leaders are behind him raping, or promoting the raping of young boys.

[Schar]

I am not religious, and for a few reasons. First, there's so many damn things about some religions that just dont make any sense at all. For example, the main thing that i've had a problem with my whole life is this, maybe a religious person can help explain it to me:

Adam and Eve were supposedly the first 2 people ever according to the bible. Well, obviously they had sex, and had children. So then, to get more children, and start the human race, it was either brothers and sisters fucking, or parents and children fucking. Now, isn't that just one huge, gigantic sin? Did Adam and Eve and their children go to 'hell'? Why would God's personal creations commit such gigantic sins? The entire human race is based on a sin, according to them.

So, according to the same theory, we're all related, right? Well now please explain to me how we have such extremely diverse races of humans. If Adam and Eve were white, where did blacks and asians etc, come from? Or if they were black, where did whites and etc etc etc come from?

Another damn thing that pisses me off, if the world was only around for 4000 years or whatever the bible says, please explain to me the huge amount of fossils we have that are millions of years old. That are scientifically PROVEN to be that old.

I also hate the fact that most relgions claim that their god (or gods) is the only god, and their religion is the 'true' religion. The only religion i know for sure that accepts other religions and faiths is Buddhism. Ok, so if your religion is the only 'true' religion, where did all these other religions come from? You're really claiming that so many people follow a false god? I'll tell you where they came from, they were made up the same way yours was.

I personally beleive that religion is a comfort thing that was slowly made up over time to comfort people in times of stress, like wars, etc. It gave, and gives, people a sense of confidence, and it gives them a reason to do what they do, such as fight a 'holy' war, or deal with the death of a loved one. So, just like those 2 examples, it can be a good and a bad thing.

The bottom line for me is that religion and science are opposites, basically. I go with beleiving science because, unlike religion, they offer tons of proof, facts that can be backed up to support theories. The only facts religion has to offer are some documents that were written by some guy or some people thousands of years ago, such as the bible.

Edit: Also, the whole priest molesting children and not getting punished scandal should clue some people in about the integrity of religion. Also, i should mention i dont preach to people about this, and i dont hate or look down upon people who are religious, it's all about personal choice.

[Tuco]

As a protestant Christian, one of my problems with religion itself is the issue Aychamo stated: Religious folk get high and mighty, and condemn people who disagree with them.

This is upsetting not only because it makes them and their religion look like shit, but also because their behavior reflects on me.

I suppose on many issues I'm one of the more liberal christians out there, and that I believe many believers of many sects of religions different from my own (catholics etc) are, indeed, heaven bound.

Like anything else(EQ guilds for example), there are differing flavors of churches and beliefs. Few people will agree on all religious beliefs, and churches generally have somewhat ordered beliefs(their doctrines) that clear up a lot of loose ends(trinity, apocalypse etc) Furthermore most churches have a feel of 'how things get done', often set by the generally few leaders, and followed by the congregation.

Naturally on such a high level(religious level) it is HIGHLY offensive if you experience a church whose beliefs on life so highly disagree with yours, then try to shove their beliefs down your throat. While my cognitions demand I 'accept' their attempts as valid but inappropriate attempts as witnessing, I am sometimes ashamed of such attempts.

Ashamed of them, perhaps, but never ashamed of my religion.

The bible and christianity is suprisingly very open to interpretation, so it is very easy to make your own conclusions, and argue with someone who has had a docterate in christian theology for decades, and end up 'agreeing to disagree'. Simply because the Bible can be vague at times.

Simply, try and research different religions, islam, buddhism, or christianity if you want. That's my only advice, besides keeping as open a mind as you would hope a religious person would =)

[phatboy]

Have you ever read the bible?
Adam and Eve where the first two, and only two people in the Garden, it doesn't state they where the only two people in the world at that point.

phat

[Plan9]

Phatboy, I think its implied many times in the bible that they ARE the only ones.
But who knows, the bible is so fucking full of vagueries and contradictions, that its all pretty unclear.

[aychamo_aycono]

Originally posted by phatboy
Have you ever read the bible?
Adam and Eve where the first two, and only two people in the Garden, it doesn't state they where the only two people in the world at that point.

phat

Bible says god made man in his image. And then made woman from the man's rib. (Which would have the same DNA and would be a clone .

Not saying I belive it, because I don't.

But in Religion's defense, most Christians don't belive in the Adam and Eve story as a fact, just as a explanation. About Eve being tempted, and then punished. Old Testament God = Scarry.

For those who believe, anyway

[badluckjon]

I've only skimmed through the posts so I may be repeating someone else but my general opinion on religion is this..

Why waste your time with something you will never be able to fully experience until you're dead?

Does it really make your life better to have someone always there holding your hand and pulling the strings?

I don't think so. And although sometimes I may get depressed after a bad day and wish I had someone there for me... there is no one there for me. Otherwise what would be the point of free will? What's the point if you always have to follow set guidelines and road maps to happiness? Why not find out for yourself.

Life is filled with suffering and uncertainty.. that's what makes it exciting!

I think you aren't supposed to find a crutch but instead find that thing that broke your leg... and tear its fucking heart out

[Tuco]

BadluckJohn, I've seen too many people, who, after finding emptiness in an athiest life, come to christianity and radically change their perspective, attitude, emotions towards 'happiness' to think of my religion as simply something that gets me into heaven.

Does that mean all athiest should seek refuge (and would find it for that matter) within christianity? Certainly that won't happen... but don't limit yourself. By intelligent and learn about things, try them out. =)