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11-13-2002, 05:13 AM
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   | I stopped reading after the first 8 posts... gotta go to work. I relate religion to trekkies... yes, trekkies. Those fuckers actually believe star trek is real, today. It might be one day, but damnit, it's not right now! Anyway, point is... some dude wrote a FANTASY book (whoa... David slew Goliath!) and a bunch of people followed it.... |
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11-13-2002, 08:23 AM
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| I was personally raised Catholic, although I do not pratice the faith anymore - I believe in ethics rather than religion personally - but, the link you provided seems quite a bit less liberal than I found the Catholic churches in my area to be when I did attend. (Polish and Roman Catholic Churches mainly - think the priests were Franciscan's at all of the Roman one's) Heck, I've been touched by ALOT of religions over my years on this planet, and from the level of influence people try to take in the varying religions I'd consider the Catholic faiths that I experienced to be amongst the more benign. If I recall correctly, there were strong ties to the local KKK with the Methodist or Baptist church, the United Universalist church is always out recruiting (they seem to have replaced the Jehovah's Witnesses locally), Mormon's are well... Mormon's - whereas the worst thing I can think of that was done at my Church was them allowing Pro-Life propaganda on the messageboard, even though my Church chose to ignore the subject. But then again, ethicly or religiously you should live your own good life however you feel that is. And foir the religious I've always believed that practicing your faith alone and giving your full attention to your faith makes alot more sense then sitting on a pew for an hour thinking about other things. Only thing I remember fondly about my Church days is the donuts, coffee and social events (latter at my Church from like 15 years ago). But then again, I'm reading everything while I'm really tired - could be a completely different tangent then you meant, heh. |
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11-13-2002, 09:52 AM
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+29 Internets | I am a born and raised roman catholic. Baptized, first communion, confirmed, all of that. My parents weren't really strict about it, but up until I was 16 or so I basically went to church every week. I basically hated it for as long as I could remember, it was horribly boring and seemed pointless to me. As soon as I could, I stopped going. I am a really cynical person. To me, the christian belief of a benevolent loving god is just plain ridiculous. How could a loving benevolent god let so much of the world's population live in poverty and pain? How could a just god consistently allow the worst people to be the richest or most powerful? When you ask someone really religious about it, they always say something about god works in mysterious ways, god doesn't want to interfere, it's up to us to fix things. I call bullshit. I honestly don't think that there is a god, but I guess there is always the chance. Personally I think that if there is a god, there are two options. One is that he just created the world, got bored, and moved on. He just doesn't care anymore. Or two, he is a sadistic asshole who enjoys seeing pain and suffering. As far as the moral beliefs of religions go, I think most do a great job of giving people guidelines of what is acceptable etc, and I think that is reason enough for religions to continue on. It gives people a reason to live and behave, yada yada. If some people need something past this life to continue living a good life, fine, more power to them. And on the offchance there really is a loving, caring god, I think that living a good life and trying to step on as few toes as possible along the way is more than enough to keep him satisfied. |
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11-13-2002, 10:26 AM
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| Man.. When I read all this, I can't help but think, for whatever God there may be, he has it made. He doesn't have to do anything, and yet most people worship him. I wish I was like that with girls 
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11-13-2002, 01:33 PM
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11-13-2002, 05:43 PM
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| MMmmm, yeah, ok. Big Bang Theory. Is it not a very basic scientific law, that Matter can not be created, or destroyed? Ok, then, well, explain that Big Bang Theory there again for me, because...it doesn't work. And outside of faith, neither does The Story of Creation. Both Evolution and all other Religions are based solely on Faith. Telling Christians to "Prove It" goes the same way with Evolutionists. By the way...Natural Selection works. We see it happen. However, I don't believe that fish became apes. I just don't believe that. If you do, that's fine, no fault. Humans simply cannot know their origins. That is why they come up with Evolution, Islam, Christianity...etc. I refuse to make an argument for either, even though I am a Christian, because nothing...NOTHING will piss me the fucking hell off than someone trying to impose beliefs on me. And I know the feeling is mutual. My point is, both Evolution and other Religions are based on Faith. One chooses to believe that that's the way everything turned out. Both can be supported, but not proved or disproved. In Christianity's favor, you have Polystrated Fossils, in that lake in, I believe, Northern U.S.A. They are embedded in many layers of sediment...but when you examine them, the whole section was buried at the same time. That suggests a worldwide catastrophe...hmm, maybe a global flood? But by the same right, you have supposed inbetween organisms and wacky shit that can't be explained except to be, say...a missing link between species? |
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11-13-2002, 06:10 PM
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| The Big Bang theory doesn't suggest that matter was "created;" it suggests that all matter in what was to become the universe was originally condensed into a singularity (i.e., a point) of almost infinite density. Thus, its explosion (and expansion) did not create matter, but merely sent matter outward and into less condensed forms. I'm not saying I believe in the Big Bang, but it is a scientifically sound theory (if not exactly conceptually sound). It may be impossible to imagine "nothingness" and time before "the beginning of time," but these are concepts that may be inherently untenable by human beings. And they are the only things, ostensibly, limiting the plausability of the Big Bang theory.
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11-13-2002, 07:04 PM
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|  fanning the flames . . . Personally, I do believe in the big bang theory and evolution. They are based on reason, logic, and scientific principle. They can be supported by fact and theory whereas creationism ultimately comes down to "faith" in folktales and fantasy stories. However, engaging belief in anything past the big bang theory is really just a fruitless endeavour. No matter what we believe, we ultimately come to a paradox: If God created us, what created God? If the big bang created the universe, what created the big bang? If there was nothing, how could there be something? It's a true paradox, which no one will ever have an answer. In my opinion, it's just not worth worrying about. BTW - Evolution haters, do yourself a favor and read this article. ^^
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