Gasoline

[Criminiminal]

Originally Posted by Horse

The kits cost $2,000 but then you get ~150-180 mpg at the cost of, uh, $0 per gallon.

The small kits start that low but for a full pump experience the setup costs ~$4-6k, you get the same mpg and the cost per gallon right now is ~$2 with everything (equipment, electricity, water, methanol, catalyst, acid) factored in.

ROI for some setups is as low as 2 years.

[Xurlitil]

Thanks for posting this FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:

[Vinen]

Originally Posted by SceleriS

start whining when the gas prices are as high as in the netherlands.

1.60 euro's per litre

1 euro is 1.51 dollars..

1 gallon is 4 litres

Will do when it's not related to your socialist taxes.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Criminiminal

The best way i've heard this described is "Quit trying to qualify off of every green light."

You and the guy you quoted are both right. To add to it, slow the hell down in general. You don't make that much more time on your daily commute going 10 or even 20 miles over the speed limit and you are just wasting fuel if you do. Learn to use cruise control, don't let asshat speeders push you off your target speed when passing trucks and stuff, and if you speed because you are perennially late to work grow up and set your alarm a little earlier. Of course we loves our speed so this is falling on largely deaf ears I'm sure.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Horse

It's starting to hit the mainstream now, but you can convert grease trap grease into diesel fuel relatively cheaply as well as certain vegetable oils. The kits cost $2,000 but then you get ~150-180 mpg at the cost of, uh, $0 per gallon.

Looks like us fat Americans are onto something! So eat up and drive more!

Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggghhhh



Veggie Oil As Gas Substitute, One Owner Claims He Gets 180 MPG Using It; There Are Catches - CBS News

Grease Not Gas - Gasaholics Anonymous

Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel: Journey to Forever

Its not even that new and you don't really even technically convert the oil to diesel, as diesel itself is a petrol product. You can convert any existing diesel engine to run on the stuff with the kits like you said and with some persistence and work you can obtain sources of used french fry grease and stuff to use as fuel. People do actually do this on a significant scale although like you said it isn't exactly mainstream. Its a well documented offshoot of the biodiesel advocacy crowd though and a totally viable alternative that can run on the many decades old diesel engine technology, no need to wait for some sort of revolutionary engineering breakthrough here. It is also totally clean for those who care not only about the costs and political ramifications like me, but also about environmental concerns.

Biggest drawback is the gelling issues in cold weather, just like with 100% biodiesel. Not sure offhand if you can get around that partially by mixing in dino diesel like you can with bio, I'm inclined to say no. But I know that there are ways to get past the gelling issue with bio, such as running a 20% bio blend in cold months or using antigel additives. Another issue for older diesel engines is that using bio (maybe SVO too) tends to really clear out all the old dino diesel gunk and clog your fuel lines or filter. Lots of people get around that by installing a small prefilter in the fuel line before it gets to the main fuel filter. The smaller prefilter can be swapped out on the fly roadside in the event that you clog up. The older the diesel engine the more this is an ongoing problem, but it is beneficial in how much it cleans out the system or in the case of a newer engine keeps it clean.

I'm also not so sure about the 150-180 MPG thing, I thought SVO just got you standard diesel MPG (50-60ish in a passenger car usually). But I could be wrong on that.

[EmpireF4i]

Why is this in the screen shot section?

[Vehn]

Originally Posted by EmpireF4i

Why is this in the screen shot section?

because it's serious business

[James]

[Jovec]

Originally Posted by Horse

It's starting to hit the mainstream now, but you can convert grease trap grease into diesel fuel relatively cheaply as well as certain vegetable oils. The kits cost $2,000 but then you get ~150-180 mpg at the cost of, uh, $0 per gallon.

Looks like us fat Americans are onto something! So eat up and drive more!

Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggghhhh



Veggie Oil As Gas Substitute, One Owner Claims He Gets 180 MPG Using It; There Are Catches - CBS News

Grease Not Gas - Gasaholics Anonymous

Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel: Journey to Forever

Mythbusters has filtered vegetable oil doing the same MPG as the car would get with diesel.

There is maybe a 10 year window for us to receive any economic benefit to alternative fuels and high MPG cars. Once these products become more mainstream, alternative fuels and plug-in hybrids/electric cars, etc will cost the same to run as a gas would. There is no way in hell the electric company is going to let you charge your car at the equivalent of $1/gal when gas is going for $10/gal or whatever the price is when half of us are driving plug-ins, I don't care how much available generation capacity is available overnight. Internet/signaling over power lines could be used fairly easily to "authorize" the charging of your car at "appropriate" rates.

Just like demand-driven pricing for gas is mostly bullshit shit too. Oil is a finite resource, and for many countries their only real resource of value, and they are going to get as much money for it as possible. If magic spark plugs doubled the national MPG overnight, gas would cost twice as much by noon that same day.

[brekk]

Fill up in the mornings is bullshit. These tanks are below the frost line in the ground. IE at a depth where in the middle of winter the ground will not freeze no matter how cold. That should be a hint that the ground at that depth has a very constant temperature. Its not shifting by much at all.

The only thing I agree with is filling up when you're at half a tank. Thought not for the reason given.

On most vehicles the fuel pump is inside the fuel tank, surrounded by gas. The gas surrounding the fuel pump actually acts as its coolant. If you run your car very low, and keep it there often you fuel pump can have heating issues and will wear out faster.

The idea about not using Saudi Oil companies isnt half bad. I generally use Hess or Valero, because theyre the cheapest.

[Ilum]

Originally Posted by Vinen

Will do when it's not related to your socialist taxes.

Social taxes my ass! You guys monopolize gass and rescources and you know it.

It cracks me up that people are just know realizing that doing 6 kilometers with one liter gass isn't all that optimal.

Just get a fucking Prius and stop whining.

[NeuadvenBonechillerr]

Originally Posted by SceleriS

start whining when the gas prices are as high as in the netherlands.

1.60 euro's per litre

1 euro is 1.51 dollars..

1 gallon is 4 litres

Yea you also forgot to mention that the netherlands has one of the best economies in europe, one of the lowest unemployment rates

they have a min wage of 1,317.00 euros a month, or about 2000 dollars. .

federal american min wage MIGHT be being raised to 7.25 dollars, with 7 states already above that mark, which equals about 1160 a month on a 40 hour work week.

. . .over 20 still at the old 5.15 an hour which means they make under 900 a month

[Taranatar]

Originally Posted by NeuadvenBonechillerr

Yea you also forgot to mention that the netherlands has one of the best economies in europe, one of the lowest unemployment rates

they have a min wage of 1,317.00 euros a month, or about 2000 dollars. .

federal american min wage MIGHT be being raised to 7.25 dollars, with 7 states already above that mark, which equals about 1160 a month on a 40 hour work week.

. . .over 20 still at the old 5.15 an hour which means they make under 900 a month

That means absolutely nothing. You fail to take into consideration the cost of living there: I could make a million dollars a week, but if my rent is 999,650 I'm no better off than the guy making $10 an hour paying 450 a month. Also china, for its population has a low unemployment rate, but most people there work shit jobs for 20$ a month.

[Sabyn]

Originally Posted by Jovec

Mythbusters has filtered vegetable oil doing the same MPG as the car would get with diesel.

There is maybe a 10 year window for us to receive any economic benefit to alternative fuels and high MPG cars. Once these products become more mainstream, alternative fuels and plug-in hybrids/electric cars, etc will cost the same to run as a gas would. There is no way in hell the electric company is going to let you charge your car at the equivalent of $1/gal when gas is going for $10/gal or whatever the price is when half of us are driving plug-ins, I don't care how much available generation capacity is available overnight. Internet/signaling over power lines could be used fairly easily to "authorize" the charging of your car at "appropriate" rates.

Just like demand-driven pricing for gas is mostly bullshit shit too. Oil is a finite resource, and for many countries their only real resource of value, and they are going to get as much money for it as possible. If magic spark plugs doubled the national MPG overnight, gas would cost twice as much by noon that same day.

Economics does not work like that. If all the cars in the US suddenly had twice the MPG they do now that would decrease the demand for gas. And please don't try and tell people that a decrease in demand for something causes it to double in price over night. I would think that they would stop producing as much oil/gasoline. Same with electric companies. If we all started using electricity to power our cars, the demand would go up, and so would prices. But the price is not rising because "well it would cost them x to fill up their car with gas, but it only costs y to charge it using electricity, so theres not problem just increasing the electric price to x." Any talk of "appropriate rate" would be more socialistic than any of the ungodly and oppressive taxes in the US or Europe.

But what I don't know is if the amount of consumer gasoline available is controlled more by how fast it can be taken out of the ground or by how fast it is refined.