Have you ever seen a ghost?

[Salshun]

I know people that don't believe in God but they do in the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot. For some people it's just about which is more fun to believe in.

Honestly, I can't say I blame them. It's more to think some winged creature is flying around the New Jersey woods attacking people.

[Lejina Bloodbath]

Originally Posted by Believe

I wonder how many of the people saying ghosts don't exist believe in God...

What I wonder if how many of those believing in ghosts also believe in elves, dragons and Santa Claus, and if somehow they don't, why.

[GorestabbCoE]

I'm always reminded of a certain South Park episode when these kind of discussions take place:

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Stan: Look, my friend Kyle won't fly back home to Colorado. All I need you to do is talk to him and tell him, ya know, that the whole talking to dead people isn't real.

John Edward: Maybe it is for real.

Stan: Right, but its not. It's a trick you do and I need you to just let my friend Kyle know that so that he can go on with his life.

John Edward: Look. People have the right to be skeptical. I really hear voices in my head.

Stan: Yes. We all hear voices in our heads. Its called intuition. Get over yourself and tell my friend its just for fun.

John Edward: Look. What I do doesn't hurt anybody. I give people closure and help them cope with life.

Stan: No, you give them false hope and a belief in something that isn't real.

John Edward: But I'm a psychic.

Stan: No dude, your a douche.

John Edward: I'm not a douche. What if I really believe that dead people talk to me?

Stan: Then your a stupid douche.

John Edward: I think that I have had enough of your bullying me. Get out of my house or I'll run upstairs, lock myself in my panic room, and call the police.

Stan: I'm 9 years old.

John Edward: (screaming) I'm not talking to your friend and I'm not a douche. (runs upstairs) You better get out of my house or I'll call the police.

Stan: You are so a douche! I'm nominating you for the biggest douche in the universe award! You douche!

[Gryeyes]

Originally Posted by Lejina Bloodbath

What I wonder if how many of those believing in ghosts also believe in elves, dragons and Santa Claus, and if somehow they don't, why.

Some reason im willing to say the amount of people who claim to have seen ghosts exceeds that of dragons and elves. Ghosts kinda get a loophole being that they are intangible while dragons and elves aren't.

[Gryeyes]

Originally Posted by slitz

But the "open mind" in this case is based on 1000 year old stories when people didn't know better. There is absolutely no indication what so ever that points at ghosts existing, so why are you being open minded about it if you aren't dismissing it? Am I being short sighted if I dismiss the existence of magic, trolls and elves?

If there would be any kind of indication that ghosts might exist, then yes I could agree that dismissing it completely would be pretty short sighted, but in this case when there is no data, no ground whatsoever to stand on, I really don't think so.

The sheer number of people who claim to have seen a ghost could be construed as an indication. Kind of like how people claiming to have seen a giant hairy man for decades was an indication of gorillas. And how pilots reporting columns of red and blue light shooting into the sky was an indication of sprites. Knowledge and technology develops and starts to encompass more and more things. But to say there is no indication is just silly.

[slitz]

Originally Posted by Gryeyes

Knowledge and technology develops and starts to encompass more and more things. But to say there is no indication is just silly.

I really don't think it's silly at all. Silly would be to say that the technology isn't advanced enough to "sense" ghosts.

Basically all technology we have today is based on human perception, meaning everything we can visualize, hear etc so can our technology. In fact, the technology today can even visualize and "playback" data that we as humans can't see nor hear in the first place. Yet people seem to think that our technology isn't advanced enough to see spirits even though some people claim they have seen it with their own eyes (which is odd since technology itself can represent data that the human eye can't even see).
You get my point?
So, the total lack of data that support the claim of ghosts existing is proof enough that they don't exist.

[Gryeyes]

Originally Posted by slitz

I really don't think it's silly at all. Silly would be to say that the technology isn't advanced enough to "sense" ghosts.

Basically all technology we have today is based on human perception, meaning everything we can visualize, hear etc so can our technology. In fact, the technology today can even visualize and "playback" data that we as humans can't see nor hear in the first place. Yet people seem to think that our technology isn't advanced enough to see spirits even though some people claim they have seen it with their own eyes (even though yet again the technology itself can represent data that the human eye can't even see).
You get my point?
So, the total lack of data that support the claim of ghosts existing is proof enough that they don't exist.

As has been stated repeatedly over and over. Saying something the possible is not positing that it exists. As opposed to a BELIEF that it either exists or does not. But as i have already said there have been a good many things that were pure hearsay for decades or centuries that later came to be true. So its pretty ignorant to assume if it existed we would know about it.

And as to technology being able to fully encompass human perception. I find that pretty fucking stupid as well.

Do you believe telekinesis exists?

[Astrocreep]

whats so bad about having an open mind? i would like to see bigfoot and UFOs but its mostly dipshits running around in a monkey suit or a foil covered frisbee. 90 out of a hundred incidents are likely faked but the 10 percent which are unexplained i have interest in.

[slitz]

Originally Posted by Gryeyes

So its pretty ignorant to assume if it existed we would know about it.

And as to technology being able to fully encompass human perception. I find that pretty fucking stupid as well.

Do you believe telekinesis exists?

I didn't say that we would know about it if it existed, I do not however believe in something that is taken out of thin air. Sure Copperfield was/is pretty darn impressive at times, but that doesn't mean I believe in magic.

Did I say technology being able to fully encompass human perception? I don't think I did, I did however claim that our own technology in many areas surpass what we are able to see/hear with our own senses, and I'm pretty sure you won't disagree with that and yet some people see ghosts where our own technology does not.
And no I do not believe in telekinesis, I do find it as fascinating as ghosts stories though so I'm probably like everyone else on that subject. I love to hear about it, which of course brings more fuel to the fraudsters.

[Gryeyes]

Originally Posted by slitz

I didn't say that we would know about it if it existed, I do not however believe in something that is taken out of thin air. Sure Copperfield was/is pretty darn impressive at times, but that doesn't mean I believe in magic.

Did I say technology being able to fully encompass human perception? I don't think I did, I did however claim that our own technology in many areas surpass what we are able to see/hear with our own senses, and I'm pretty sure you won't disagree with that.
And no I do not believe in telekinesis, I do find it as fascinating as ghosts stories though so I'm probably like everyone else on that subject. I love to hear about it, which of course brings more fuel to the fraudsters.

But you DO believe. You believe ghosts DONT exist. That belief is taken out of thin air. You have a position and a belief.

[kasey]

I have never even heard about anyone who would talk about ghosts, never ever. No encounter, no trace, no stories nothing nada niente. Only the TV uses this as plot device, sometimes. Boring rl, i want ghosts and i want to scare them. If they would be real we would have known ghost "sites" and there would be tons of signs saying "do not scare the ghosts" to protect them from crazy people like me.

[Astrocreep]

wasnt there a law passed in canada declaring bigfoot an endangered species and illegal to hunt? does that mean bigfoot is real?

[spronk]

i am a ghost in a shell and i'm haunting your tubes

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by Gryeyes

But you DO believe. You believe ghosts DONT exist. That belief is taken out of thin air. You have a position and a belief.

No, his "belief" is based on the complete lack of evidence. YES COMPLETE LACK OF EVIDENCE. No, it doesn't matter what subjective shit your uncles promdates sisters granddad experienced at his boathouse last year. It's not evidence, it never will be, its' a fundemental logical fallacy to claim it is.

As has been pounded in to your dumbass head over and over and over in this thread, but you're too daft to get it. Of fucking course you can never ever rule anything out 100 % - There could in fact be pink unicorns taking turns dryhumping Hitler and Elvis on the dark side of the moon.

However a rational person is forced to make a judgement based on probabilty, -probability based on what evidence is there.

Can we rule out ghosts exists. No. Is there any evidence to suggest they do. Nothing what so ever. Therefor for all intents and purposes, they don't exist, until proven otherwise.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Indiana

No, his "belief" is based on the complete lack of evidence. YES COMPLETE LACK OF EVIDENCE. No, it doesn't matter what subjective shit your uncles promdates sisters granddad experienced at his boathouse last year. It's not evidence, it never will be, its' a fundemental logical fallacy to claim it is.

As has been pounded in to your dumbass head over and over and over in this thread, but you're too daft to get it. Of fucking course you can never ever rule anything out 100 % - There could in fact be pink unicorns taking turns dryhumping Hitler and Elvis on the dark side of the moon.

However a rational person is forced to make a judgement based on probabilty, -probability based on what evidence is there.

Can we rule out ghosts exists. No. Is there any evidence to suggest they do. Nothing what so ever. Therefor for all intents and purposes, they don't exist, until proven otherwise.

Give up. It's impossible to argue with that douchebag. Don't even try using logic either, he claims it's not logic, and only the fucked up thought processes that he has are "logic."

By the way, Michio Kaku talks a bit about Telekinesis in his new book. Basically if you in any way, shape, or form think telekinesis is possible, you're a fuckin moron. The brain doesn't produce enough energy to lift an apple, and there are equations that will tell you exactly how much energy is required to do a certain task.

Now, if you wanna talk about having your mind flip a switch to control some kind of mag-lev field to do it, sure, that's possible. But it's not telekinesis.