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Old 04-15-2008, 11:50 AM   #541 (permalink)
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Is this still a thread? who cares anymore? Noone raises their children anymore. TV, Myspace, Video games, thats todays parents. Then when shit hits the fan they blame GTA or Myspace because they cant controll their fucked up kids. Society today is based on Sex, and Violence. If you plop your retard kid in front of the TV 24/7 without teaching them and telling them whats right and wrong, then they think its ok to gang smash someone, or shoot a mother fucker in the face for being gay, or rape some little girl and leave her in a ditch. This shits weak sauce, i wish we could declare marshal law so i could shoot all these fucking idiots in the face! Then blame it on GTA4!

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Old 04-15-2008, 12:26 PM   #542 (permalink)
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Everyone believes you are a saint, I don't see anyone running around telling engineers and architects what an amazing social service they are doing humanity. When you become a teacher you trade the financial benefits for the social benefits pure and simple.
Unfortunately, the government, supermarkets and housing markets dont take "Your a great person!" for payment. Now, if teachers didnt have to pay taxes, were given a house, and free food stamps, then sure, pay them slightly more than a manager at McDonald's. I mean, their only slightly more important raising our future generation than someone raising future burger flippers. Although I guess currently they go hand in hand.

I meant to reply to an earlier post about police officers making as much as a teacher, and want to point out that to join the fire academy or police force, you do NOT need a college degree. To be a teacher, you MUST have a college degree. A police officer with a degree starts at $60k-$70k (in my area), and the pay rate goes up fast.

In terms of people with college degree's, teachers are at the bottom of the barrel.
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:00 PM   #543 (permalink)
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:06 PM   #544 (permalink)
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I meant to reply to an earlier post about police officers making as much as a teacher, and want to point out that to join the fire academy or police force, you do NOT need a college degree. To be a teacher, you MUST have a college degree. A police officer with a degree starts at $60k-$70k (in my area), and the pay rate goes up fast.

In terms of people with college degree's, teachers are at the bottom of the barrel.
So...you think being the person running towards gunfire instead of away from it is less valuable to (and thus should be payed less by) society than someone who has to grade papers at home...because well, they licked a couple profs assholes for the magic piece of paper?

my older brother has a masters degree in english and couldn't hold a job as a clerk at a fucking bookstore. its his attitude, he thinks the world owes him something because he has a degree . It gets his ass fired every time, noone gives a shit what his thesis was. I know plenty of people with degrees managing McDonalds, starbucks, or other bullshit jobs, teaching isnt the bottom of the totem pole by a long shot.

in my area, as a cop, having a college degree gets you $1200 a year extra, and you still start at the bottom like everyone else.
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:14 PM   #545 (permalink)
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They are two completely different fields, both of equal importance to society.
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:25 PM   #546 (permalink)
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They are two completely different fields, both of equal importance to society.
I'd place teachers a bit higher on the list. Definitely not equal though. Of course, i'm speaking as a parent. Not ALL of society needs the police. All of society does however, need good, truly committed teachers. They're the parent's strongest ally in the everyday child rearing process.
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:25 PM   #547 (permalink)
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Sorry for the late quote but:

- Most kids are in school for 5 hours 5 days a week so like 25 hours. - 100k

- 40 weeks, right maybe without the two, two week breaks and all the holidays lets make that 34 weeks a year - 85k

- average teacher salary around here is 40k as was just reported in our local paper, thats the average.


Teachers are doing a social service. I will admit it takes a different personality than mine for a job like teaching. The person who is a teacher gets praised constantly about how great a person they are for being a teacher. Everyone believes you are a saint, I don't see anyone running around telling engineers and architects what an amazing social service they are doing humanity. When you become a teacher you trade the financial benefits for the social benefits pure and simple. Suck it up, teachers are paid exactly what they are worth and I thank them for sacrificing money to help build americas future. Whiney pussies want yourcake and eat it too.
What the hell kind of school did you go to that was only 5 hours?

I went to a Catholic school through 5th grade, then public school through high school. Hours were:

1st grade through 5th grade was 8AM - 2PM = 6 hours

6th through 8th was 8AM - 2:40PM - 6 hours 40 minutes

9th through 12th was 7:30AM - 2:40PM - 7 hours 10 minutes

5(6) + 3(6.67) + 4(7.17) all divided by 12 comes out to just over 6.5 hours per day. And yes lunchtime counts because kids in the cafeteria have to be watched, they're friggin maniacs, I know we were.

And just for the record half of the school teachers I have met in my adult life have been either a pothead or an alcoholic. I think they ended up as teachers because the hours *sounded* awesome.

I'm pretty sure most of the teachers I ever had held some sort of second job over the summer, either as a handyman, a waitress, or whatever.
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:38 PM   #548 (permalink)
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Your school hours are amazingly short. We have 8.30 AM until 4.00 PM as lowest possible here pretty much.

I'm sure the quality compensates !
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:41 PM   #549 (permalink)
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Pretty sure it's 7ish hours here. In high school most of my teachers taught 6 periods and had one off period. Lunch was spent either being a monitor or catching up on crap while eating a sandwich at the desk.
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Old 04-15-2008, 02:37 PM   #550 (permalink)
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For those that recall the original subject of this thread, here's the link to the 911 call and attached story:

Cheerleader Beating Victim' s 911 Tape Made Public - Central Florida News 13
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Old 04-15-2008, 03:15 PM   #551 (permalink)
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This thread has went from a news commentary, to rickroll, to a socio-economic argument of Teachers fair compensation in lieu of failed parenting or declining American morals (I can't tell which).

All this needs is a random meme & I think we can sum up the interweb in 1 thread.

On a more serious note; Teachers, as much as you hate to admit it are the people who more oft washed out of their primary profession. Those who love to teach become Academics, professors & masters of their field of work.

The kids kidnapped a teen, proceeded to thrash her & attempted to hide behind juvinile safeguards. The behaviour, or lack of control is the fault of bad parenting but to prevent copycat offenses make an example of them. If the Wall St. Spritzer years have taught American law/ soapbox media pundits anything, the scapegoats make for great social lessons & usually prevent further perversions. The girls should get nothing short of 10y with a criminal record of assault & attempted man 2.

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Old 04-15-2008, 06:33 PM   #552 (permalink)
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Even the smart kids in public school are treated like outcasts and are awkward in social gatherings. basically what you want is for kids to stay dumb and have shitty incomes because it makes them awesome buddies. fuck that shit, when i went to school i went there to learn, i hated talking to the fuckheads at public school. if i wasnt forced to be there i would never have to even interact with them.

i wish i was homeschooled cuz the education i received from public schooling was horrendous. in short, be a nerd learn everything you can and get a good job. your so called school friends will only bring you down.
The public school education is horrendous but smart kids are only treated as outcasts if they still are socially awkward. It happens, but home schooled kids get culture shock when re-introduced to society. I can understand home schooling a child with special needs, though.

I was a straight A student and I wasn't an outcast. In junior high, I was a nerd and still made friends with other nerds. I did, however, get my ass beat a couple times for being a smart ass. I grew out of it my awkward phase in high school and still graduated at the top 10% of my class. If kids are getting their asses beat just for being smart and not being a dick (like I was), those bullies need to be handled fast.
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Old 04-15-2008, 06:54 PM   #553 (permalink)
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The public school education is horrendous but smart kids are only treated as outcasts if they still are socially awkward. It happens, but home schooled kids get culture shock when re-introduced to society. I can understand home schooling a child with special needs, though.

I was a straight A student and I wasn't an outcast. In junior high, I was a nerd and still made friends with other nerds. I did, however, get my ass beat a couple times for being a smart ass. I grew out of it my awkward phase in high school and still graduated at the top 10% of my class. If kids are getting their asses beat just for being smart and not being a dick (like I was), those bullies need to be handled fast.
yeah ill get my mother to come to school and single those bullies out to the principal. that ought to teach them to leave me alone!

2 days later i wake up from my coma!

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Old 04-15-2008, 07:22 PM   #554 (permalink)
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Yeah, there really is no recourse other than the kid standing up for himself and hoping for the best. It is really no wonder school shootings happen.
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Old 04-15-2008, 07:27 PM   #555 (permalink)
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