The Gun Thread

[AladainAF]

Aych,

Here you are, if you're in Texas (If I remember, you are ), specifically 9.42 and 9.43.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

§ 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person
in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is
justified in using force against another when and to the degree the
actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to
prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful
interference with the property.
(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible,
movable property by another is justified in using force against the
other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force
is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the
property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit
after the dispossession and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no
claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or
(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using
force, threat, or fraud against the actor.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994.


§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994.


§ 9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON'S PROPERTY. A person
is justified in using force or deadly force against another to
protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if,
under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the
actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force
or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful
interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or
criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or
(2) the actor reasonably believes that:
(A) the third person has requested his protection
of the land or property;
(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third
person's land or property; or
(C) the third person whose land or property he
uses force or deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent,
or child, resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994.

[aychamo_aycono]

Thank you for that link!

"phase plasma rifle in a 40 watt range!"

[Aetos]

Just remember to kill whatever person enters because a dead man tells no tale

[Sabyn]

Originally Posted by EmpireF4i

Well theres also that myth of "you shoot with a shotgun and your going to hit something." In a house, your not going to get much spread, even with something like birdshot. It might be easier to hit someone, but it might not be a kill shot and when someones adrenaline is going, its not going to stop them right away. Again, there will always be the argument about guns and self defense, but thats just my opinions.

It does all depend in the type of house / building he lives in, but a shotgun is much less likely to go through a door or wall and hit a dog/little old lady/small child.

[aychamo_aycono]

I want a glock 17. I don't know why but it yells "hey i'm so sexy" to me everytime I look at it. I think that plus my browning over/under shotgun should be good right?

[manslayer]

If you're gonna get a Glock, I'd say to get a Glock 21 which is .45 ACP instead of 9mm.

[Borzak]

If your going to get the 21 get the 21SF especially if your going to carry.

[EmpireF4i]

Originally Posted by manslayer

If you're gonna get a Glock, I'd say to get a Glock 21 which is .45 ACP instead of 9mm.

Agreed if your getting it for self defense. Get the 9mm if your going to go to the range a lot.

[Aetos]

Originally Posted by Borzak

If your going to get the 21 get the 21SF especially if your going to carry.

If you say that because 9mm is cheaper, it hardly is. Go with the glock 17.

PS anyone get anything or treat themselves for christmas?

I got a 1961 Winchester model 50 in 12 ga. Now i just need to get my hunting license so i can go out for duck

[Borzak]

Originally Posted by Aetos

If you say that because 9mm is cheaper, it hardly is. Go with the glock 17.

PS anyone get anything or treat themselves for christmas?

I got a 1961 Winchester model 50 in 12 ga. Now i just need to get my hunting license so i can go out for duck

The 21 and 21SF are both .45 ACP.

The SF designates short frame. It's not in the catalog or on the glock site. But Glock makes several models in the SF variety. Such as the 21 and the 30. I carry a 30SF. It's slightly thinner than the regular 30 and a slightly smaller grip. Same for every SF model.

SF models also have the amidexterity mag release. Visually there's not much difference and they have the same capacity as the parent model.

If your going to carry a glock of any variety and they make it in an SF variety - get the SF version.

[Mr.Holland]

Mosin Nagant with Bayonet bought at gun show for a little over $100. Can't beat the deal on these things.

A couple better pictures of one of my favs the PPsH-41









My first gun I bought for myself Romanian AK-47...







Also at last gun show, picked up a Thompson A-5 pistol will try to get a few pics of that pretty piece uploaded

[LikeWow!]

Your instinct to go with a handgun is right. It takes no skill or grace to take a long gun away from someone inside. They are slow to raise, hard to get around corners, hard to take cover or concealment, and the attacker has a shitload of leverage on the gun if he gets ahold of it. There's no way to deftly peek out of my bedroom with a long gun. That's a deal breaker.

Get the Glock. If it's your first gun, stick with 9mm, simply because it's more affordable to shoot. Everything you learn with a 9mm applies to larger caliber guns. Shot recovery takes a little longer with larger caliber or smaller/lighter guns, and it shouldn't affect your times too much unless you're competing or have bad form. If you have man hands (L or larger gloves), get the 17, if smaller, go with the 19. Some people with ultraman hands get a little slide bite when they grip a Glock very high, but most people can learn to not grip that high. Similar platforms to consider are the SW M&P (avoid the Sigma like a dickplague), and the XD. I place the XD last in the bunch, but it still might work best for you. If you get a Glock, make sure you don't keep those shitty factory plastic sights.

Also buy a nice ($50-75) LED flashlight such as a Surefire G2 LED, or toss a cheap weapon light (Insight and Glock make affordable ones). Both wouldn't hurt. You might find yourself taking the flashlight everywhere you go with you at night, so I'd get that first.

[Divinefactor]

Originally Posted by LikeWow!

Your instinct to go with a handgun is right. It takes no skill or grace to take a long gun away from someone inside. They are slow to raise, hard to get around corners, hard to take cover or concealment, and the attacker has a shitload of leverage on the gun if he gets ahold of it. There's no way to deftly peek out of my bedroom with a long gun. That's a deal breaker.

If hes looking for home defense, not Counterstrike inside my house, a shotgun is absolutely fine.

I know its the internet and you are Rambo, but it sounds like instead of securing your family and covering the point of entry to DEFEND yourself, you are advocating LOOKING for trouble...

[LikeWow!]

Looking for trouble inside my house if I hear a window break or someone taking a crowbar to the backdoor? Wouldn't you? I'd bet my life on it.

I got into competitive shooting after moving in next to a cop. Believe it or not, running around all over a shooting range with a gun and shooting stuff makes for good times. You're basically getting the fun part of being in the Army or whatever without any of the shit (afterall, cardboard doesn't shoot back). A positive side-effect to the hobby is the skills you pickup apply to defending yourself and family pretty good. Well, at least better than what you learn from golf or kayaking. It's a hobby like any other hobby. Sometimes doubefags misinterpret knowing something about your hobby as playing Rambostrike.

It's a whole lot of fun, but it's not for everyone.

Anyway, the important thing is to have a gun. Handguns are easier to use indoors, which is pretty important if you want to defend your home.

[Divinefactor]

To each their own, I wouldn't go out looking for trouble, things in your home are replaceable... the life of your loved ones and yourself is not.

It also depends on where you live as well... California has much different gun laws then Texas...

as for me, I got old reliable (Remington 870) fully loaded with empty chamber within easy reach of my bedroom. Strange noise at night, grab gun, take position with lights off crouched behind the half wall at the top of the stairs.

I've had three incidents during the past 2 years, one was a drunk guy who thought it was his apartment... other 2, racked the slide when they came into view at the bottom of the stairs, nothing but intruders running out. I consider myself lucky, again, my mentality is to avoid trouble but protect myself and loved ones.

If you have the proper training (tactical courses, enough rounds through the barrel) more power to you.

I agree whole heartedly, the important thing is to have a gun. Everyones home layouts are different, shotguns have their place in home defense as do handguns.

Wish I lived in a castle doctrine state instead of a haha burglars rights state, thanks california...